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Will Alex Turcotte have a spot in LA?
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I didn’t mind it fir a short period as he learned the defensive side of the game, improving his play on the wall and his skating. However that time is long past. He needs to be in a scoring role..
kingsfan28
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That's the way I see it. If he has a great camp, force them to decide what to do, not just give JAD the job. Do what Valardi did and take the spot.
Vilardi also benefited from some injuries.
If everyone stays healthy and Turcotte outperforms JAD I still think they send Turcotte down as he does not need waivers, and looking at how Spence has been handled that will make the decision for this management group.
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Here’s what bugs me the most out of all this. I understand the defensive assignments. I think Kaliyev has done pretty well improving his defensive game. But how the hell is he supposed to reach his offensive ceiling and help the team score goals if he’s kept in the 4th line? We didn’t draft the kid for his defensive abilities. He’s good at scoring goals, why the f*** aren’t we polishing that skill and utilizing it?
And may i ask how he is supposed to do that?
He scored 13 goals in 53 games playing 4th line minutes.
Trevor Moore scored 10 goals in 69 games playing 2nd line minutes.
Iafallo had 14 goals in 59 games playing 2nd line minutes.
This is not a Kaliev issue, this is utter delusion by the Kings staff that we can win anything and we pay a steep price by destroying the youngster development.
Kaliev should be a top line winger since day 1 and given every opportunity to grow into that position. His job is nothing else than scoring goal like every other top 6 winger.
Why he has to develop wrestling moves on the 4th line is far beyond me.
You draft a player for a certain role and polish the already great skillsets, not grinding the weakness up to mediocrity on the expense of the skillset.
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RayMartyniukTotems
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Solution trade Lizotte and Moore for a bag of pucks and insert Kaliyev into the lineup either 2nd or 3rd line
This is exactly what i am saying,
Kaliyev shouldn't have played anything else then top 6 winger
RayMartyniukTotems
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RayMartyniukTotems
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Remember when estimating from Kaliyev's numbers - most of his points come on the PP. He had 5g and 11a in 534 even strength minutes. Grundstrom is a better goal scorer at even strength, as is Lizotte. Kaliyev was our 10th best forward in points/60 at ES. And this isn't necessarily because of his deployment.
What's most interesting about Kaliyev if you run a WOWY, is that he shows somewhat similar performance across the board with one exception - Lizotte. His advanced stats flourish with him. He played the most minutes with 3 centers - Lizotte (211 minutes), Kupari (157) and Kopitar (90). He was weakest with Kopitar by just about every metric.
He's incredibly effective in specialty situations - PP, goalie pulled, late in games as an add - but he hasn't shown squat when moving up the lines. I still feel he should be getting more ice time and should get more time on the upper lines, but let's not pretend there is anything that points to that being effective. He's played 190 ES minutes with Kopitar in his career - that's probably over 200 shifts. The result is 11 goals for and 15 against. He's only positive with Lizotte, it's uncanny.
What's most interesting about Kaliyev if you run a WOWY, is that he shows somewhat similar performance across the board with one exception - Lizotte. His advanced stats flourish with him. He played the most minutes with 3 centers - Lizotte (211 minutes), Kupari (157) and Kopitar (90). He was weakest with Kopitar by just about every metric.
He's incredibly effective in specialty situations - PP, goalie pulled, late in games as an add - but he hasn't shown squat when moving up the lines. I still feel he should be getting more ice time and should get more time on the upper lines, but let's not pretend there is anything that points to that being effective. He's played 190 ES minutes with Kopitar in his career - that's probably over 200 shifts. The result is 11 goals for and 15 against. He's only positive with Lizotte, it's uncanny.
Brownie to Pancakes
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Ok but kopitar isn't exactly known for elevating wingers who you'd think would fit. In fact there's a long list of good players that never flourished with him. We should be imagining how kaliyev would perform on PLD's line
That's definitely worth trying. Arty has to eventually have chemistry with another scorer, maybe this is the guy that finally meshes with him.
Ziggy Stardust
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I think Kempe is a good recent example of a player who can flourish if put in the right position with the right partner. For years, that was not the case.
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Beat me to it, I think his goal scoring will be better this season. Last season right before each injury he had like 6goals in 8 games or something like that
RayMartyniukTotems
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Wishing for a completely Healthy season for young Turcotte where he also is productive and gets a call up or two from the Kings!Like him as a centre but would be OK if he played LeftWing with say Kopitar or Dubois instead of the 4th line...but if he starts there and sticks great he can move up from there...
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Always liked Turcotte's speed and playmaking ability! Just needs to play smarter and watch out for cheap shot-artists and try to get stronger for the board battles when they happen! Once we get that straightened out good things will start to happen because you can't teach Speed! Speed takes the top off defenses and used Defensively and Offensively!The 4th line should be Turcotte,Grundstrom and Kaliyev and let them play together the whole year or at least 30 games
Ziggy Stardust
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as much as i like the kid, as i watched him in jr's throw his body around i thought that with his frame that play would never last in the nhl. i liked his dad as a player and i think genetics has alot to do with hockey talent (foote, domi, etc etc.) with the head injuries he has already suffered he'd better get out of the game as a player before he winds up severely disabled.
he's done.
maybe the kings can hire him as a scout or quality assurance guy or something. id hade to see this kid wind up physically destroyed.
he's done.
maybe the kings can hire him as a scout or quality assurance guy or something. id hade to see this kid wind up physically destroyed.
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maybe it's just the pic (or just me), but Turc looks to have really small hips and lower body frame. But it could just be the pic
regulate
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Chances for the Kings this season all depends on health of the NHL roster. No reason he couldn't get called up, he has a lot of skill, definite middle six potential, most likely as an LW.
Ziggy Stardust
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Ideally, Turcotte replaces Iafallo and produces similar numbers, but his body seems to only withstand 30-40 games a season. I won’t be confident in him until he can put together a full, healthy season in Ontario.
