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MNRube said:
Or Khovanov when he had that massive year in the Q and played well as Russia's 1C at the WCJ. He plays more like Heidt than Beckman does IMO. Hopefully RH is better but I agree that Beckman comes to mind. along with Khovanov.
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I think we all can agree that a great season isn't an assurance of anything. But I also think that we all can agree that a great season is better than a not-so-great season.
 
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I think that Heidt will have similar blockers to Beckman. You see decent skill and a high-end shot with Beckman, but the skating and processing of the game is just a tad slow. I think with Heidt it will be about getting stronger and being a better skater. I don’t think he’ll have a long career if he’s just an average skater. The skill and hockey sense is obvious with him though.
 
57special said:
Heidt is an elite playmaker, and a good two inches taller than Rossi, who was picked 9th oa. I still don't get what scouts were looking at.
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Again, just online viewing of some of several of his shifts on youtube so take my opinion with huge poundfuls of salt...

But I just didn't see the "elite" part. I didn't see the ability to shift the pace of the game (attack faster or slow it down to set up the offensive zone) and I didn't see ability to create space between himself and defenders. I didn't see that control of the zone that I like to see in playmakers. He played at the pace that was given and that works in the junior level, but I want to see prospects really excel at this level because the AHL/NHL is going to be even harder.

5-11 is still considered avearage or below average. Rossi height was a big deal on draft day but he compensated with high end offensive skills and out of thise world competitiveness. I just didn't see Heidt bring either of those when he was drafted.
 
Circulartheory said:
Again, just online viewing of some of several of his shifts on youtube so take my opinion with huge poundfuls of salt...

But I just didn't see the "elite" part. I didn't see the ability to shift the pace of the game (attack faster or slow it down to set up the offensive zone) and I didn't see ability to create space between himself and defenders. I didn't see that control of the zone that I like to see in playmakers. He played at the pace that was given and that works in the junior level, but I want to see prospects really excel at this level because the AHL/NHL is going to be even harder.

5-11 is still considered avearage or below average. Rossi height was a big deal on draft day but he compensated with high end offensive skills and out of thise world competitiveness. I just didn't see Heidt bring either of those when he was drafted.
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Well, he and Bedard(1" shorter) shared the lead in assists last year, in his draft year, no less. It's pretty hard argue that he isn't at least worthy of a first rounder. I had him down on my list as a possible 1st pick for us ....certainly our first 2nd.

I mean, Crosby is 5'11".

Rossi was SMALL. Petan small and a lightweight, but he was picked 43 oa. Heidt is slightly below average, and has a rep of being a bit nasty.
 
57special said:
Well, he and Bedard(1" shorter) shared the lead in assists last year, in his draft year, no less. It's pretty hard argue that he isn't at least worthy of a first rounder. I had him down on my list as a possible 1st pick for us ....certainly our first 2nd.

I mean, Crosby is 5'11".

Rossi was SMALL. Petan small and a lightweight, but he was picked 43 oa. Heidt is slightly below average, and has a rep of being a bit nasty.
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I had Heidt, I believe in the 30-40 range so 63 was a surprise to a certain extent but was never out of the realm of possibility (you see players dropping late 1st to late 2nd all the time). There are just so many prospects with more equal skill in this range.

Funny you mentioned Petan. I did watch him in juniors and he was one of those players I was in love with BECAUSE I did see that "elite" skill. I thought despite being small, he always found ways to win board battles by being extremely elusive. I had him late 1st. But similar to Heidt, late 1st drops to mid/late 2nd, goes to pros and struggles to find his place. Not skilled enough for a top 6 role in the NHL, not big/intense enough to find a PK role either.

So thats my only concern but I am willing to watch with a huge open mind because why wouldn't we want him to turn out great for the Wild :)
 
Circulartheory said:
I had Heidt, I believe in the 30-40 range so 63 was a surprise to a certain extent but was never out of the realm of possibility (you see players dropping late 1st to late 2nd all the time). There are just so many prospects with more equal skill in this range.

Funny you mentioned Petan. I did watch him in juniors and he was one of those players I was in love with BECAUSE I did see that "elite" skill. I thought despite being small, he always found ways to win board battles by being extremely elusive. I had him late 1st. But similar to Heidt, late 1st drops to mid/late 2nd, goes to pros and struggles to find his place. Not skilled enough for a top 6 role in the NHL, not big/intense enough to find a PK role either. Master of none.

So thats my only concern but I am willing to watch with a huge open mind because why wouldn't we want him to turn out great for the Wild :)
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Petan's skill still sticks out in the AHL, though he is pretty bad defensively, and doesn't play C. He is one of those players who simply can't bring his game with him to the NHL. His skill doesn't translate, and he is too small, weak, and mentally unsuited to turn himself into a two way bottom sixer.

He had a completely insane draft year, though.
 
I just looked at Stramel's EliteProspects page, now I'm sad about it again. Guy hasn't been an offensive producer since he was 14. Would be a massive turnaround if he ever became one. Another Foligno?
 
AKL said:
I just looked at Stramel's EliteProspects page, now I'm sad about it again. Guy hasn't been an offensive producer since he was 14. Would be a massive turnaround if he ever became one. Another Foligno?
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Yeah Foligno down the middle is probably what you’re hoping for. It’s not a bad use of a first round pick, I just don’t agree with the process of using high picks on floor plays.
 
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Yeah Foligno down the middle is probably what you’re hoping for. It’s not a bad use of a first round pick, I just don’t agree with the process of using high picks on floor plays.
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I don't even know if it's a high floor pick. As it stands he's got years and years of development before he's even at that level. I'd say at least one more year in the NCAA because this year so far isn't proving he's ready for any kind of jump. Then we're looking at at least two years in the AHL. So we're four years away from him being a bottom sixer, if he can reach that level. It's just a weird pick.
 
AKL said:
I don't even know if it's a high floor pick. As it stands he's got years and years of development before he's even at that level. I'd say at least one more year in the NCAA because this year so far isn't proving he's ready for any kind of jump. Then we're looking at at least two years in the AHL. So we're four years away from him being a bottom sixer, if he can reach that level. It's just a weird pick.
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Yeah at the time it was a floor pick though. Now you’re just hoping he’s not another tufte.
 
AKL said:
I don't even know if it's a high floor pick. As it stands he's got years and years of development before he's even at that level. I'd say at least one more year in the NCAA because this year so far isn't proving he's ready for any kind of jump. Then we're looking at at least two years in the AHL. So we're four years away from him being a bottom sixer, if he can reach that level. It's just a weird pick.
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I’ve said it a number of times in the Stramel thread, the issues with Stramel are coachable. Positioning and assertiveness. He’s got the skillset and size that good players have. He just looks like he needs to be taught to command his space on the ice. He’s too passive, not necessarily in regards to the opposing players, but in regards to his cohesion with the other players on his line.

I’ve now typed this message out a crisp three times on my phone because the website just randomly refreshes, so a special f*** you to the HFBoards website.
 
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AKL said:
I don't even know if it's a high floor pick. As it stands he's got years and years of development before he's even at that level. I'd say at least one more year in the NCAA because this year so far isn't proving he's ready for any kind of jump. Then we're looking at at least two years in the AHL. So we're four years away from him being a bottom sixer, if he can reach that level. It's just a weird pick.
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"High floor" picks are almost always actually just low ceiling picks, and I hate seeing the Wild make that mistake. Tyler Biggs, Colton Gillies, Dylan McIlrath, Duncan Siemens are all examples of this. Not many of them work out. I'll just cross my fingers and hope Stramel learns how to produce. Hopefully Digitalbooya is right about him, and he figures it out.
 
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Digitalbooya said:
I’ve said it a number of times in the Stramel thread, the issues with Stramel are coachable. Positioning and assertiveness. He’s got the skillset and size that good players have. He just looks like he needs to be taught to command his space on the ice. He’s too passive, not necessarily in regards to the opposing players, but in regards to his cohesion with the other players on his line.

I’ve now typed this message out a crisp three times on my phone because the website just randomly refreshes, so a special f*** you to the HFBoards website.
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Pro-tip, when it erases, go to a different page, then come back, you should be able to pick it back up. Super annoying though, they fixed this bug briefly but its back again.
 
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Ovechkid08 said:
Pro-tip, when it erases, go to a different page, then come back, you should be able to pick it back up. Super annoying though, they fixed this bug briefly but its back again.
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BagHead said:
"High floor" picks are almost always actually just low ceiling picks, and I hate seeing the Wild make that mistake. Tyler Biggs, Colton Gillies, Dylan McIlrath, Duncan Siemens are all examples of this. Not many of them work out. I'll just cross my fingers and hope Stramel learns how to produce. Hopefully Digitalbooya is right about him, and he figures it out.
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I have no reason to think that Stramel is the next Tyler Boucher, but i also have no reason to NOT think that Stramel is not the next Tyler Boucher.

I could also be completely wrong about Tyler Boucher.
 
Looks like Yurov might be playing more center lately. First couple months of the season he would mostly be on the wing, take a couple faceoffs here or there, with the occasional game at center. But the last few game cards Metallurg has tweeted out have him at center between Nikita Mikhailis and Alexander Petunin. The last 6 games he's taken 50 faceoffs, won 28 of them, and has scored 7 points. We may just have ourselves another center.
 
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AKL said:
Looks like Yurov might be playing more center lately. First couple months of the season he would mostly be on the wing, take a couple faceoffs here or there, with the occasional game at center. But the last few game cards Metallurg has tweeted out have him at center between Nikita Mikhailis and Alexander Petunin. The last 6 games he's taken 50 faceoffs, won 28 of them, and has scored 7 points. We may just have ourselves another center.
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Means we need to replace a winger in the system now. Demidov works
 
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