Prospect Info: Wild Prospect Thread 2022-23
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TaLoN
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It's terrible to watch for most. You can usually see who is good without room anyway on NHL ice with full 5v5 as it is, and is more pleasing to watch.I like seeing who is good without much room
I liked watching it on YouTube. I just wish that they had one game going or you were able to see both sides. I also think this is a faster way of getting to see more from the players people are intrigued to see, instead of having to wait for the four lines to swap through.
IMO, if you don't like watching 3v3 then don't watch it
TaLoN
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I don't want to, but miss the double opportunity we used to get for full scrimmagesI liked watching it on YouTube. I just wish that they had one game going or you were able to see both sides. I also think this is a faster way of getting to see more from the players people are intrigued to see, instead of having to wait for the four lines to swap through.
IMO, if you don't like watching 3v3 then don't watch it
Something that I see talked about a lot is that Minnesota has a ton of good prospects, but they have high floors and low ceilings and I can see that.
The shine off of Rossi has kind of tarnished; was it all his fault? No, because of Minnesota's stupid cap situation, him catching Covid but them is the breaks and there are now questions if he can live up to the expectations when the Wild drafted him. He went from an elite/superstar prospect to a possibly a top 6 center. There are now questions about his ceiling and while he did have a good transition to the AHL (7th overall in points for a rookie, but 15th overall in goals. Also 10th overall in PPG if you remove anyone playing less than half a season), I think there are some in the hockey circles that are disappointed that he didn't end up in the top 5/top 3 for a rookie that was supposedly NHL ready. His second half season swoon was also really unfortunate along with whatever injury he had.
As for the rest, as someone mentioned Ohgren is a good prospect, but nothing about his offense screams elite. I think a lot of scouts see Ohgren as a good middle 6 forward like Joel Eriksson-Ek, maybe with a little more offense, but a step below someone like Boldy.
Yurov is the biggest wild card and there are questions if he'll come over and what his ceiling really is. Haight is another wild card and we'll see if he takes another step this season.
But if you rank them, Minnesota I think is going to be a little bit lower on the prospect charts. Quality over quantity. They have the defensemen, but they don't really have the depth in goal or the offensive talent. That's why I was a little disappointed they didn't swing for the fences on a guy like Firkus as he's definitely a different type of prospect then they have in their stables.
I'd say right now Wallstedt is the only blue-chip prospect, Rossi is working his way back up. As for tiers:
S Tier (Franchise defining player):
Jesper Wallstedt
A (Top 6/Top 2 Pairing):
Marco Rossi (could move into S tier with a good AHL season)
Danila Yurov
Carson Lambos
Brock Faber
B (Middle 6, Mid-to Bottom Pairing):
Marat Khusnutdinov
Hunter Haight (could move into A tier with a good CHL season)
Adam Beckman
Liam Ohgren
Caden Addison
Ryan O'Rourke
Jack Peart
Ryan Healey
David Spacek
C (Bottom 6/Emergency Defenseman):
Caeden Bankier
Servac Petrovsky (could move into B with a good season)
Rieger Lorenz (could move into B with a good season)
Mikey Milne
Daemon Hunt
D (AHLer):
Sam Hentges
Mason Shaw
Damien Giroux
Vladislav Firstov
Pavel Novak
Josh Pillar
Simon Johansson
F (Warm body/Prospect that won't sign):
Alexander Khovanov
Nikita Nesterenko
Matvei Guskov
Andrei Svetlakov
Marshall Warren
Hunter Jones
The shine off of Rossi has kind of tarnished; was it all his fault? No, because of Minnesota's stupid cap situation, him catching Covid but them is the breaks and there are now questions if he can live up to the expectations when the Wild drafted him. He went from an elite/superstar prospect to a possibly a top 6 center. There are now questions about his ceiling and while he did have a good transition to the AHL (7th overall in points for a rookie, but 15th overall in goals. Also 10th overall in PPG if you remove anyone playing less than half a season), I think there are some in the hockey circles that are disappointed that he didn't end up in the top 5/top 3 for a rookie that was supposedly NHL ready. His second half season swoon was also really unfortunate along with whatever injury he had.
As for the rest, as someone mentioned Ohgren is a good prospect, but nothing about his offense screams elite. I think a lot of scouts see Ohgren as a good middle 6 forward like Joel Eriksson-Ek, maybe with a little more offense, but a step below someone like Boldy.
Yurov is the biggest wild card and there are questions if he'll come over and what his ceiling really is. Haight is another wild card and we'll see if he takes another step this season.
But if you rank them, Minnesota I think is going to be a little bit lower on the prospect charts. Quality over quantity. They have the defensemen, but they don't really have the depth in goal or the offensive talent. That's why I was a little disappointed they didn't swing for the fences on a guy like Firkus as he's definitely a different type of prospect then they have in their stables.
I'd say right now Wallstedt is the only blue-chip prospect, Rossi is working his way back up. As for tiers:
S Tier (Franchise defining player):
Jesper Wallstedt
A (Top 6/Top 2 Pairing):
Marco Rossi (could move into S tier with a good AHL season)
Danila Yurov
Carson Lambos
Brock Faber
B (Middle 6, Mid-to Bottom Pairing):
Marat Khusnutdinov
Hunter Haight (could move into A tier with a good CHL season)
Adam Beckman
Liam Ohgren
Caden Addison
Ryan O'Rourke
Jack Peart
Ryan Healey
David Spacek
C (Bottom 6/Emergency Defenseman):
Caeden Bankier
Servac Petrovsky (could move into B with a good season)
Rieger Lorenz (could move into B with a good season)
Mikey Milne
Daemon Hunt
D (AHLer):
Sam Hentges
Mason Shaw
Damien Giroux
Vladislav Firstov
Pavel Novak
Josh Pillar
Simon Johansson
F (Warm body/Prospect that won't sign):
Alexander Khovanov
Nikita Nesterenko
Matvei Guskov
Andrei Svetlakov
Marshall Warren
Hunter Jones
Dr Jan Itor
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I'm not certain the 'shine wearing off on Rossi' is generally accepted.
guitarhunterdude
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Depends what people thought he would be. If they were expecting Brayden Point I think they're probably disappointed. If they were hoping for a guy who might touch 70 points in his best year with the right linemates, the hype train is still probably chugging along.
Minnesnota
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Anyone who claims to have any idea what Rossi will or won't be is someone not worth being listened to.
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Brayden Point isn't even the Brayden Point some people seem to think he is. He's averaged like 74 points per 82 the last three seasons. Rossi is 20 with one full pro season under his belt. It's very weird to say the shine has fallen off or anything similar. He's still developing and the upside is still there.
Dr Jan Itor
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Just for comparison's sake:
Boldy has played 24 AHL games, scoring 10 goals and 18 assists for 28 points. 14 of those games were in is D+2 season, 10 games in his D+3.
In Rossi's first 24 AHL games, he scored 8 goals and 17 assists for 25 points. All 24 of these games were in his D+2 season.
Boldy has played 24 AHL games, scoring 10 goals and 18 assists for 28 points. 14 of those games were in is D+2 season, 10 games in his D+3.
In Rossi's first 24 AHL games, he scored 8 goals and 17 assists for 25 points. All 24 of these games were in his D+2 season.
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MuckOG
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guitarhunterdude
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Always nice to know the "blue number good" crowd approve of our decisions.
TaLoN
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Bazeek
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I appreciate attempts to apply some kind of methodology to this, but it also seems like kind of a fool's errand.
I'd still rather be at the top than the bottom, though.
I also like the two-tweet description on the Wild system. "Basically flawless".
guitarhunterdude
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Yeah I used to be really into that sort of thing for basketball, where you have the sort of high sample sizes and repetition of similar scenarios for that to really work (and in particular, find statistical indicators of college production leading to NBA production in certain stats). It's a lot harder in hockey, but everyone and their mother has seen the Canucks potato GM article so generally I'm pretty pleased when we make decisions the analytics guys like.
DeagleJenkins
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22 is from 2022 draft…Looks like we have a new (and perhaps better) version of Fiala.
Ohgren looks like him, and he even stole his #22
Nino Noderreiter
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I'm expecting a player that is roughly similar to the real-life version of the Granlund outcome. 60-point center (maybe more playing with a Kaprizov) or 70-80ppg wing.
Nino Noderreiter
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Fair enough, although I think he peaked as a little better than that at wing and certainly could have produced higher in a similar system to what the Wild played this year or with similar talent (points aren’t all created equal).
I think Granlund at center would have developed into a 55-60 point center as a #1/#2 C with top line PP minutes. Gaudreau was a 45 point C this year and Granlund was certainly better than Gaudreau.
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