Big Phil
Registered User
- Nov 2, 2003
- 31,703
- 4,157
That leadership core had lead the team to 3 straight declining seasons including missing the playoffs before Messier signed. Ownership didn't overpay Messier because things were good with the team. Every player who was dealt with the exeption of Bure who demanded a trade was playing poorly, that has to be on those players not Messier.
C'mon you know your Canucks history they were headed aground well before Messier was signed. When a team rebuilds it usually has to take a step back which is what the Canucks did after clearing out the dead wood. They probably could of began their ascent in 02 if Bure didn't holdout and demand a trade and Mogilny and Messier had been healthy but that's the way it went.
Vancouver Canucks Winning % through the Years
1991/92 - .600
1992/93 - .601
1993/94 - .506
1994/95 - .500
1995/96 - .482
1996/97 - .470
Mark Messier Signs with Vancouver
1997/98 - .390 (Mogilny injured, veterans traded for youth)
1998/99 - .354 (Messier injured, Bure is dealt before season for youth)
1999/00 - .506 (Rebuilt Canucks have best season since 1994)
Mark Messier Signs with New York
2000/01 - .549
2001/02 - .573
2002/03 - .634
Messier deserves all the criticism he receives for his on ice play but if you want to blame him for his work as "GM" then he really deserves some credit helping turn the franchise around.
I don't know where you got those numbers, but the Rangers did not have that high of winning percentage when Messier was there the second time. Not even close. They were a sub .500 team each time.
I think a lot of the Messier tenure in Vancouver was the fact that they wanted Messier to do what he did a decade earlier. Or even three years earlier. He was 36 when he went to a pretty dysfunctional franchise. Bure did not want to be there anymore. Mogilny was..............well, we know how the Jekyl and Hyde Mogilny could be.
Honestly, how many players at the age of 36 can turn around a franchise? Gretzky was 36 during the 1997-'98 season and they missed the postseason. Esposito was 36 when the Rangers had that spike year when they made the final in 1979. That was it.
Howe? Beliveau? Yeah, maybe them, but Detroit didn't win a Cup then either. Honestly, the NHL isn't exactly filled with 36 year olds who had legendary seasons.