I think one of the lamoreux ( sp?) sisters did a full out unabashed run of the goalie. The game at the excel center was quasi physical. I do think the refs let the women play more when US plays Canada, which seems to make for compelling hockey at least for me.
Why isn't checking allowed in women's hockey?
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I think one of the lamoreux ( sp?) sisters did a full out unabashed run of the goalie. The game at the excel center was quasi physical. I do think the refs let the women play more when US plays Canada, which seems to make for compelling hockey at least for me.
People can try and rationalize all they want, but it's pretty much just archaic thinking with a hint of sexism. Of course nobody representing it would actually come out and say something along those lines, but that's about it.
A completely distinct situation.
Everyone knows, and science confirms, men are heavier, bigger, stronger. That's what testosterone does to bodies.
Why would girls feel the desire to play in a checking league where boys likely make up a majority of the players? That changes entirely if the entire league is made up of girls. They won't be as heavy or strong.
It's really not that different from having weight classes in fights. Why would a lightweight voluntarily decide to fight people with big body advantages? They tend not to. But they will absolutely fight other lightweights.
Moreover you completely ignore the plenty of *other* reasons for girls not wanting to play on a boy's team. Guess what age these kids are when they're starting to allow checking. Do you remember.... some changes going on around that time? Think it might be uncomfortable for someone to be one of maybe 2 girls on a team full of pubescent boys? I think it might be. Boys that age tend not to be very mature, shockingly.
My sister played on a boy's team through peewee. But after that, you're in the late middle school/high school range where puberty kicks in, guys start getting way bigger, and both sexes are aware of the other in a different way. So yeah, I know exactly what went through my sister's mind when she decided to stop playing with the guys.
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The recreational/minor level of hockey is another discussion mostly, but as far as the Olympic level goes if females aren't tough enough to check other females I think a better discussion to be had is if women's hockey is even worth having in the Olympics in all honesty. Then again I kind of dislike the Olympics in general, but still.
I have heard that one reason is because in many cases the age difference is very big, 14 year old girls playing against older bigger women. Can result in very nasty injuries.
But I think women's hockey is ready to take the "next step" and actually allow this. I think if you would make a survey and ask the female players they would probably want this. Right?
But I think there could be other changes as well added to the game, for women. Maybe a lighter puck, as that's the case in football with a smaller/lighter ball. A woman is very much likely to be less physical than a man, so a lighter puck would make it "easier" for them to play the puck better.
American rink size/smaller rink size I think fits women better also than IIHF size.
But I think women's hockey is ready to take the "next step" and actually allow this. I think if you would make a survey and ask the female players they would probably want this. Right?
But I think there could be other changes as well added to the game, for women. Maybe a lighter puck, as that's the case in football with a smaller/lighter ball. A woman is very much likely to be less physical than a man, so a lighter puck would make it "easier" for them to play the puck better.
American rink size/smaller rink size I think fits women better also than IIHF size.
Not if its coming from another smaller framed women.
The reason is simple, Womens hockey as a sport was started by men, and rules written by men. Can't have those fragile dame's hurting eachother.
Apparently they had a game or something sometime recently between usa and canada where they allowed hitting. The commentator seemed to really dislike it (a former team canada player). I dunno, I wasn't paying much attention.
SirClintonPortis
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Swiss has some good speed on their team and some relatively competent defensemen.
What you are proposing would be more sensible if we were talking about allowing more interference and/or the red line, not necessarily checking. The trap was made more effective in part due to interference not being called and the red line.
For Canada, if checking is allowed team selection would simply slightly shift to more players with "power forward" attributes in the mold of Spooner rather than looking solely at skill. I say "slightly" since Canada's top scorers are also "big" in terms of weight and/or height. It also allows dump-and chase to become a viable strategy. Given the superior speed and strength of the two North American powerhouses, they would probably win the dump-and-chase war more often than they would lose, so they would still come out on top, but the opposing team will be quite a bit more severely bruised at the end of the game.
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Sounds nice to say but partially untrue. There are endocrine factors as to how much force a muscle or bone can create or absorb. Those endocrine factors are determined by gender etc however I'd still favor checking being allowed in the women's game.
It is very different. Those Latvia men are still professional hockey players, still men who have been getting hit by the best in the world all their lives. A more apt comparison would be David Backes throwing hits in a high skilled mens league, the accountants wouldn't stand a chance man or female, 5'8 or 6'6. Canada/USA women are fit, strong and tough. They spend many months weight training and training off ice. Other countries don't have that luxury.
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I'd guess that it's because Women's leagues are more recently established, and cages are already more common in Women's/Girl's leagues than in Men's leagues, and the men are far more willing to dig in their heels to fight it than the women. (And they are also in a stronger negotiating position).
I've seen enough guys break jaws, noses, lose teeth due to stick/puck incidents to justify cages. Pretty much every 30 year old in the NHL has had multiple broken noses and dental work, even if they don't fight.
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And that's the reason. As I understand it, before women's hockey was an Olympic sport, checking was allowed. That was changed to try and even things up between the US/Canada and the rest of the world, because otherwise they'd both be physically pounding other teams into pulp even more than they already do.
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I am from Ottawa, Canada. I live within spitting distance of the Civic Center where the 67s play. In 1990 they held the first womens hockey IIHF tournament. I remember seeing one of the games and watching our Canadian Girls in their ridiculous Pink and White uniforms. Checking was allowed in this tournament for the first and last time. US and Canadian girls were just too aggressive as most of them had played with boys in their development with girls only leaques still in their formative years. This made the disparity between North American Teams and European teams even greater.
Simple as that. Can women play contact hockey. Absolutely. This thread is ridiculous.
I am from Ottawa, Canada. I live within spitting distance of the Civic Center where the 67s play. In 1990 they held the first womens hockey IIHF tournament. I remember seeing one of the games and watching our Canadian Girls in their ridiculous Pink and White uniforms. Checking was allowed in this tournament for the first and last time. US and Canadian girls were just too aggressive as most of them had played with boys in their development with girls only leaques still in their formative years. This made the disparity between North American Teams and European teams even greater.
Simple as that. Can women play contact hockey. Absolutely. This thread is ridiculous.
women participate in Olympic judo, karate and boxing. Mabey the women hockey players can get some hints on how to protect their delicate lady bones.
Alright...Here's a simple way to end the debate. Poll all the Euro Women players and ask them if they want to allow body checking in the Next Women's World Championship. If the answer is yes,( I'd bet the farm it won't be, BUT I've been wrong before ) there's probably no need to ask the North American gals their opinion, cause ( again I'm willing to bet the farm ) they'd happily oblige.
Again, I'll lay dollars to donuts, that the No Body checking rule will be reinstated, at the Euro lady's request, soon after that WC ends.
Again, I'll lay dollars to donuts, that the No Body checking rule will be reinstated, at the Euro lady's request, soon after that WC ends.
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The same reason they wear full cages. Sexism. We can't stand to see a woman cut or hurt. When guys get a cut it is a badge of honor, but if a woman was to get a big cut across her face people would pass out and call for a ban on the sport.
It is not the women. You can tell they want to smack each other around. It is the cigar chomping men in control of those decisions that keep it out.
It is not the women. You can tell they want to smack each other around. It is the cigar chomping men in control of those decisions that keep it out.
It is all about training and money spent. But few really put money into this hybrid sport as it isn't hockey. This game similar to hockey and bandy: hockey-without-checking will not win support if you do not play for the consumers of the sport, as opposed to the producers (i.e. current players). Why did I not state "current" consumers as well? Because you cater to the hockey consumers, it is those you want to attract and that is done with turning women hockey into hockey.
So what about those overrun sobbing European players? They are a parenthesis and their opinion in a suggested poll amounts to nothing in my book as they are representing the sport as it is now and really have no incitement for change. Change the rules and you will get another breed of players as well. Sweden for example is well represented in women karate and other sports with a tougher touch, there are material to tap from in order to build hockey players.
Change the rules and you'll get funding, proper training and most important the consumers of hockey will turn towards the sport, generating more players, funding etc. Players who do not mind being physical, but now turn to some other sport as hockey simple do not challenge them.
Spot on, from someone who does not always agree with you.
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My guess is that you're talking thru you're hat. BUT, on the off chance you're right...Then rather than polling the Euro Women,poll the Euro Hockey Federations and ask them point blank: If body checking is allowed in Women's Hockey, will you significantly increase ur funding of the sport ? If the answer is yes, then let them put their money where their mouth is, and again, I'm sure USAHockey and Hockey Canada will happily, HAPPILY, Acquiesce to the majority's decision
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As an aside, many males ( and females ) seem only too happy to TELL Women Hockey players whether the status quo should, or should NOT, be upheld, seemingly without bothering to ask the players themselves what they want. Then when others point this out, they trip over one another hurling UNFOUNDED allegations of SEXISM
Hypocrisy at it's FINEST...end/rant
