Hockeypete49
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Why is Yakupov a bust?
- Thread starter Mike Martin
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Is he the biggest bust in NHL history?
He's definitely a lot worse than Daigle was, and he actually tries at Hockey.
He's definitely a lot worse than Daigle was, and he actually tries at Hockey.
CanadienShark
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Yeah, that does sound strange.
Who are these internet experts you speak of? You seem to be suggesting you're one... so who are the rest?
Believe me, I'm a Yakupov defender. I think those generalizations about Yakupov are sometimes misguided.
We can make long lists of people who were amazing playmakers in Juniors and even on U20 national teams (like Canada) and who failed to make it at the NHL level.
"Zero hockey IQ" may be harsh but it's pretty clear he's not that great at thinking the game at an NHL speed. That doesn't mean he's an idiot or anything like that. He just doesn't have the quick thinking reactions for the NHL level.
I think another big part is Edmonton drafted this guy, threw him into the NHL after their "Fail for Nail" campaign and then didn't really do anything to develop his game. How do you make up for 4 years of lost development?
A similar player in a different position that comes to mind for me is Ryan Ellis but he was drafted by Nashville who does wonders for defenseman development and he's a serviceable player. A dominant playmaker on D in Juniors but I blew him off and thought he wouldn't make it (decision making too slow, skating not great, etc...) and Nashville has turned him into a solid Top 4 who is good on the PP.
McRpro
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First overall picks don't get sent back to junior to work on their game. They are expected to be good. Don't blame Edmonton for keeping him around. No team would have sent him back to Sarnia. Of course he would have refused regardless and went to the KHL regardless.
bleedblue1223
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Other #1 picks have not started in the NHL after being drafted. Just because you are drafted #1, doesn't mean you are ready for the NHL.
JacketsFanWest
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One of the fundamental problems with high draft picks going to teams who year after year struggle is that there never gets to be the environment where players learn what they need to learn to succeed.
When players struggle, they tend to go back to what worked before. What worked in juniors doesn't always work in the NHL. When the coaching staff of the struggling NHL team tells them to do X and X is either hard or contrary to what the player has always done and it doesn't immediately work - then the player questions the coaching or does what they've always done. Coach gets angry.
When the players is on a perennial winning team, of course the players are going to listen because the team is very successful. When the player doesn't get immediate results doing what the coach says, they keep trying.
With players who bust in these situations, it seems like they aren't able to easily adjust their games. You can see them actually thinking on the ice and questioning where they need to be. They regress since at least doing what they always did had some results. Failing to adjust their game gets zero results.
The AHL doesn't work as a developmental league for players like this because they are too good. What worked in juniors works more often for them. They are faster than the competition.
Filatov is the prime example of this happening. Probably the even that ruined his NHL career was getting that hat trick in a blowout win in one of his first games. After that, no one could convince him that what worked in juniors wouldn't work in the NHL - because he scored three really easy goals like that. The team was struggling and likely complaining that Hitch's style of play wouldn't work in the NHL.
Yakupov had a streak in his first season where he put up a bunch of points in 3 games. Had that not happened, his first season point totals wouldn't be as impressive.
When players struggle, they tend to go back to what worked before. What worked in juniors doesn't always work in the NHL. When the coaching staff of the struggling NHL team tells them to do X and X is either hard or contrary to what the player has always done and it doesn't immediately work - then the player questions the coaching or does what they've always done. Coach gets angry.
When the players is on a perennial winning team, of course the players are going to listen because the team is very successful. When the player doesn't get immediate results doing what the coach says, they keep trying.
With players who bust in these situations, it seems like they aren't able to easily adjust their games. You can see them actually thinking on the ice and questioning where they need to be. They regress since at least doing what they always did had some results. Failing to adjust their game gets zero results.
The AHL doesn't work as a developmental league for players like this because they are too good. What worked in juniors works more often for them. They are faster than the competition.
Filatov is the prime example of this happening. Probably the even that ruined his NHL career was getting that hat trick in a blowout win in one of his first games. After that, no one could convince him that what worked in juniors wouldn't work in the NHL - because he scored three really easy goals like that. The team was struggling and likely complaining that Hitch's style of play wouldn't work in the NHL.
Yakupov had a streak in his first season where he put up a bunch of points in 3 games. Had that not happened, his first season point totals wouldn't be as impressive.
McRpro
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In this day and age, they do. It's been 30 years since a forward wasn't in the NHL right out of the draft.
1Gold Standard
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ya, well, perhaps it's time for NHL GMs to get smart and make player by player decisions and NHL fans stop playing fantasy NHL GM.
All 10A picks are not created equal. if a player is not ready - he's not ready. send him back.
Nail's father was recently named GM of his KHL team. Nail would be advised to give the KHL a 3 year shot and see if he can salvage his career.
I think he still has a chance, just needs the right situation.
The Edmonton situation was doomed from the start.
Playing under Hitch wasn't better.
Yak is the forward equivalent of David Rundblad.
Both guys were supposed to be stars at the NHL level but both suffered from the same problem - lack of hockey IQ.
Both guys were supposed to be stars at the NHL level but both suffered from the same problem - lack of hockey IQ.
sdf
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This is most ****in shameful reason why somebody not so good like it was expected
Bouboumaster
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I'd still try him on the Habs.
Maybe we could transform him into the next (slower but with a better shot) Paul Byron?
Maybe we could transform him into the next (slower but with a better shot) Paul Byron?
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McShogun99
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Yakupov is a mentally fragile player but I think there is still a chance for him to be an NHL regular. He's going to need 2 things to succeed, a players coach that will nurture him, similar to Krueger/Nelson; and a right shot, playmaking center to play with on the PP. now what team can offer both of those and need a RW?
ujju2
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None.
In all honesty, a rebuilding team in need of offence is likely the best bet. I haven't followed the Devils too closely, but do they need a RW?
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Galchenyuk would have went #1 if he didn't have a serious knee injury in his draft year, Yakupov was good in the O but you could see his flaws then and most of us knew he wasn't worth the hype.
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It is intriguing that Yakupov's goals per game rate has progressively declined over time ever since his first junior season no matter what change of leagues or teams .
Very low hockey I.Q.
I think that's what it boils down to. He's as dumb as bricks when it comes to processing the game, was able to get away with it at the junior level because of raw ability.
I think that's what it boils down to. He's as dumb as bricks when it comes to processing the game, was able to get away with it at the junior level because of raw ability.
jetsfan91
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11 goals in his last 97 games wont cut it... I thought given the right opportunity he could become a serviceable player but it's looking more and more like thats not the case.
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