Why is Crosby considered a clutch SCF performer?

[The90]

Missing the point. Yea he won cups but his stats in those finals aren’t anything special and 2/3 are shit.

Not sure he’s the one missing the point lol

 

[SirKillalot]

Yeah I was actually tempted to include Datsyuk in that comparison as well because he did also have 3 finals appearances, but it felt super disingenuous to include him with his 2002 stat line as a bottom-6 forward. It just wasn't an apples to apples comparison so I thought it was unfair to include him.

But even taking that out, Zetterberg was downright dominant in both 2008 and 2009 and I don't think Datsyuk even matched that when healthy in 2008.

If we are talking about just the 2008 final.
Zetterberg had 6 points and Datsyuk 4 points. Which 2 of Zetterberg points came in the first two matches which were won 4-0 and 3-0.
Both had 4 points each in the last 4 games.
But, Zetterberg had been assigned man marking on Crosby and overall that made the difference. He also had 4 more points in the playoffs (27 vs. 23 in 22 matches), though some were part of EN goals and some might be when both was on the ice, idk about that from memory. He had more game winning goals as well though.

That's why 2008 on paper could be seen as, idk I don't think underwhelming is the right word, cause Datsyuk was never bad. He just didn't get out is full potential regarding offensive production. Frankly in either of the two years.

 

[Ghost of Murph]

Given his goals per minute in the Caps 2018 SCF Devonte Smith-Pelly was a far more clutch SCF performer than that mediocre Crosby character. I like judging clutch performances on two stat categories, btw.

 

[VivaLasVegas]

IMHO, it's a team sport .... meaning that a player could literally have 0 points and 0 assists and still be considered a "clutch player" if he consistently elevated everybody else's play when things were dicey such that his team went on to ultimate victory.

Crosby cleared this bar easily.

Many high-stat players ultimately could not.

 

[Voight]

His SCF stats are fairly pedestrian for someone with his rep if were being honest.

2009 was especially bad. He scored the same amount of points as Tyler Kennedy.

 

[ToDavid]

I can’t say I’ve noticed fans or the media praising specifically his finals performances. Any examples OP?

Playoffs generally yes, but I don’t think that’s particularly controversial.

 

[JackSlater]

Yes, sorry Toews. Corrected.


This is true, as well as without some of those role players they had over the years they wouldn't have won all of them either.

You're not wrong then. Toews was the best forward in 2010 and the best Canadian forward across the 2010 and 2014 victories.

 

[TooManyHumans]

In 2009 in game 7 once Crosby got hurt and couldn't go the Wings dominated.

 

[Miller Time]

Missing the point. Yea he won cups but his stats in those finals aren’t anything special and 2/3 are shit.

Because "stats" don't tell the whole story... hence why you have to watch, and understand what your watching, in order to offer an assessment of any value.

If you don't understand the impact Crosby has had on his cup (& olympic) winning teams, you should probably take the time to go watch more hockey and get some tips from a more knowledgeable observer about what to look for

 

[Invalid cuz QoC]

Even Midnight has never made a thread like this before

It’s his alt account.

 

[benfranklin]

What a random hate on Crosby post for "Reasons".

 

[AnInjuredJasonZucker]

You do know what the definition of clutch is, yes?

Here, this is from Oxford;

(in sport) denoting or occurring in a critical situation in which the outcome of a game or competition is at stake.

Helps, hope it does.

Cool story, Oxford.

If you're following along in your thread at home, you'll notice that the OP made it only about points, and there has been very little pushback* (i.e. my point).


*at least, at the time of my posting.

 

[qc14]

Given his goals per minute in the Caps 2018 SCF Devonte Smith-Pelly was a far more clutch SCF performer than that mediocre Crosby character. I like judging clutch performances on two stat categories, btw.

Don't disrespect DSP's 2018 run, unironically one of the most "clutch" ones out there and certainly more clutch than any of Crosby's

 

[Ghost of Murph]

Don't disrespect DSP's 2018 run, unironically one of the most "clutch" ones out there and certainly more clutch than any of Crosby's

No disrespect at all. DSP had me jumping out of my chair a lot. I was a fan of his before his SCF heroics.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

If you'd create a poll among all gms of all time asking who they would like on their team in a scf game, im pretty sure Crsoby would be top 10 at the very least.

GMs are some of the dumbest people I n the planet though. They would be the first to parrot cliches more than anyone

 

[bambamcam4ever]

You don't actually think he means that the NHL in 09, 16, and 17 were equivalent to the DPE, right?

Because I suspect that McDavid would have been able to score in the NHL in 2016 and 2017 as well. Given how he won the scoring title in 2017 and whatnot. And the scoring wasn't low in 09.

Good thing we can look up how well McDavid scored in the 2017 playoffs. Oh wait, he had 2 5v5 points in 13 games and was outscored by Mark Letestu on his own team.

 

[Romang67]

Good thing we can look up how well McDavid scored in the 2017 playoffs. Oh wait, he had 2 5v5 points in 13 games and was outscored by Mark Letestu on his own team.

Is this also an attempt to show that 2017 was like the DPE? Or can I safely ignore it as just another silly attempt to make it look like McDavid isn't a good playoff performer?

Because as I said after the 2022 playoffs, and 2023 playoffs, and 2024 playoffs, I thought we had moved past that nonsense.

 

[SirKillalot]

Good thing we can look up how well McDavid scored

Yes we can!
In 198 games less, he is 4 points behind.

 

[Frank Drebin]

All crosby does is win excluding the seasons he doesn’t

 

[Romang67]

Yes we can!
In 198 games less, he is 4 points behind.

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Yeah, but don't you remember in Crosby's prime when players were allowed to tackle other players 30 feet away from the puck, and to headshot people with impunity?

You know, in 2017? No way McDavid could have played in that era.

 

[AppreciateHockey]

What a random hate on Crosby post for "Reasons".

McDavid getting 1000 points and not getting enough flowers in some peoples eyes is the reason.

 

[Video Nasty]

It’s just another false narrative created to explain why he couldn’t dominate individually as expected. It’s a shame, too—he’s a top 6-8 player, yet people still feel the need to overcompensate for him. Guy scored a whopping two goals total across 3 SCF wins and 19 games, yet is viewed as untouchable.

 

[Honour Over Glory]

In 2009 he had 2 assists in the finals and zero points in games 5-7, including the SC winning game.

In 2016 he had 4 assists in the finals and zero points in games 3-5. Two of his four assists in the SC winning game.

In 2017 he finally scored a goal in the finals coupled with 6 assists with zero points in the SC winning game.

Is there a reason why this propaganda floats around that he’s a dependable clutch player in the finals?

Weird to dig into this for some odd reason to what, discredit a future all of famer?

In the Wings one, Sid was also hobbled and as others mentioned, going up against top shutdown units and game planning to shut him down which leaves Geno to do more damage. It's how teams win.

 

[Honour Over Glory]

It’s just another false narrative created to explain why he couldn’t dominate individually as expected. It’s a shame, too—he’s a top 6-8 player, yet people still feel the need to overcompensate for him. Guy scored a whopping two goals total across 3 SCF wins and 19 games, yet is viewed as untouchable.

It's more funny Mcdavid fan boys like yourself are so triggered by anything where it's not more adulation for Mcdavid. You go to great lengths to diminish greats to prop up Connor.

 

[Honour Over Glory]

I can’t say I’ve noticed fans or the media praising specifically his finals performances. Any examples OP?

Playoffs generally yes, but I don’t think that’s particularly controversial.

I've never heard them say Sid was clutch in the finals during those years. They would Sid is Sid and that he takes his game up a level in the playoffs and that he's a great playoff performer - which is correct. He is.

This weird focus on "clutch performer" is likely more insecurities by Mcdavid fans which seems to be the case for a lot of the posts.

Maybe because he got gifted two Conn Smythe's.

Yes we can agree he was among the Penguins best players, but its quite clear that Malkin should have had a second Conn Smythe and Phil Kessel should have had one...

Just to focus on this part. As a Penguins fan, I've argued this as well. I felt Geno and Kessel were robbed of theirs, I still stand by that.