Why is Boston such a good organization?

[Strangle]

This has to be a troll right? How is that a pattern? For reference a pattern is something that is repeated, not a single occurrence.

You are working this from the wrong angle. You don't use less than 1% of the available data and work your way out, you use all data available and work your way in to support the conclusion you have come to.

In my world, if any member of my team approached me with a recommendation using this approach, I would quickly throw it in the trash and find a replacement for them asap.

You are jumping into a discussion with no point of reference. We have been on this point for days at this point, you need to go back and read the discussion before you jump in

Absolutely the stupidest argument Ive read on here in a long time.

Why? We know that the refs ‘game manage’, this is just an extension of that

We have audio of the refs deciding who is going to get the first penalty before the puck even drops.





Why would it be ‘the stupidest’ argument ever to say it looks like the refs decided not to call any penalties on the bruins until they were winning and then try to use penalties to manage the game?

This seem super reasonable

Some of these responses make me think it’s your first day as a fan of the NHL, how do you need this spelled out for you? How do you not already know this?

6-7 years on this website, over 3k posts and I’m the first one who told you that the refs do this type of stuff? I don’t buy it

You’re lying, you know exactly what I’m talking about

 

[wintersej]

We need to establish what the pattern is first, this is a process. If he can’t meet me at the starting line, if he’s so super defensive and avoidant about even beginning the discussion, how can I trust that he’s sincere asking about evidence.

The way this goes is, we establish criteria to look at and highlight using game 2 as the template, once the terms of the discussion are outlined, we then expand those ideas out into other areas and games and series and results and we build out the case

He doesn’t get this at all. He doesn’t want to even set the groundwork for discussion, he’s not open to the idea at all

It’s a waste of time to talk to him about it

Your tactic of picking one game out of thousands and going from there isn’t going to be helpful. It’s just going to lead to throwing back and forth anecdotal examples, a battle you would lose even if you are right since Bruins fans have a better memory of all Bruins games to pull from, and a battle you already ignored by just ignoring the counterexamples.

Shit, I can point you at last nights game for Boston with multiple missed boardings and massive obviously hooks and holds during scoring chances and during power plays that the refs f***ed Boston over on.

With the kind of conspiracy you are talking about no one is going to take you seriously unless you can show evidence at the macro level or appeal to an authority better than TicTacTOmar.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence and all.

 

[jgatie]

This can't be real. This has to be a work.

 

[Nothingbutglass]

You are jumping into a discussion with no point of reference. We have been on this point for days at this point, you need to go back and read the discussion before you jump in



Why? We know that the refs ‘game manage’, this is just an extension of that

We have audio of the refs deciding who is going to get the first penalty before the puck even drops.

Why would it be ‘the stupidest’ argument ever to say it looks like the refs decided not to call any penalties on the bruins until they were winning and then try to use penalties to manage the game?

This seem super reasonable

Some of these responses make me think it’s your first day as a fan of the NHL, how do you need this spelled out for you? How do you not already know this?

6-7 years on this website, over 3k posts and I’m the first one who told you that the refs do this type of stuff? I don’t buy it

You’re lying, you know exactly what I’m talking about

You need to google sample size and logical reasoning. You have none of it. Can we look into why the Leafs always get powerplays when they are struggling 5 on 5? That seems like a worthy conspiracy.

 

[Strangle]

You need to google sample size and logical reasoning. You have none of it. Can we look into why the Leafs always get powerplays when they are struggling 5 on 5? That seems like a worthy conspiracy.

Listen to the second ref say “I know” this is systemic and obvious to any and every fan

Just search game management discussions on here, I’m pretty sure you’ve likely posted in some of those discussions.

Who denies that this happens in the NHL??

I guess my mistake was starting with the game evidence, in retrospect I should have begun my evidence with the fact that refs game manage. I thought this was commonly accepted knowledge by now, but I over estimated how tuned in you guys are to the league here

 

[Sigh]

This thread has provided some laughs if nothing else.

if the refs call it straight, we win

 

[Hank Plank]

I mean that should make them feel better. In a 32 team league it’s a big deal to even make the Conference Finals multiple times in a decade, let alone make it to the Finals multiple times.

Getting to the finals and losing over and over is the same as being in the friend zone.

 

[Nothingbutglass]

Listen to the second ref say “I know” this is systemic and obvious to any and every fan

Just search game management discussions on here, I’m pretty sure you’ve likely posted in some of those discussions.

Who denies that this happens in the NHL??

Game management is a different topic. You are talking about a league-wide conspiracy to favor the Bruins based off of one game. If you dont realize why this is stupid, I dont think others will convince you.

 

[cneely]

Listen to the second ref say “I know” this is systemic and obvious to any and every fan

Just search game management discussions on here, I’m pretty sure you’ve likely posted in some of those discussions.

Who denies that this happens in the NHL??

I guess my mistake was starting with the game evidence, in retrospect I should have begun my evidence with the fact that refs game manage. I thought this was commonly accepted knowledge by now, but I over estimated how tuned in you guys are to the league here

Literally no one is saying it doesn't happen. What we are saying is that it doesn't consistently favour any one team (or group of teams) over any other team or group of teams.

 

[tarheelhockey]

Getting to the finals and losing over and over is the same as being in the friend zone.

Missing the playoffs by 5 points over and over is the friend zone.

Getting to the finals and losing over and over is having a series of steady girlfriends who you discover aren’t quite marriage material once you finally encounter their hidden crazy.

 

[Come Gun]

You are jumping into a discussion with no point of reference. We have been on this point for days at this point, you need to go back and read the discussion before you jump in



Why? We know that the refs ‘game manage’, this is just an extension of that

We have audio of the refs deciding who is going to get the first penalty before the puck even drops.

Why would it be ‘the stupidest’ argument ever to say it looks like the refs decided not to call any penalties on the bruins until they were winning and then try to use penalties to manage the game?

This seem super reasonable

Oh my bad, should I have only replied to your very first post about this? or just not at all? Where would you have liked for me to jump in?

It's okay though, I will bow out of this conversation just for you! I will sit on the sidelines and watch you use your own personal bias as your guiding principles to find data that only supports your opinion or belief.

 

[Strangle]

Game management is a different topic. You are talking about a league-wide conspiracy to favor the Bruins based off of one game. If you dont realize why this is stupid, I dont think others will convince you.

No it’s not. It’s entirely the topic.

The one game is a logical jumping off point, but I didn’t realize you didn’t understand the the refs predetermine penalty calls in the NHL

We really need to go back and start the conversation there.

Do you agree that the refs do predetermine who they are going to call a penalty on before an infraction happens?

Oh my bad, should I have only replied to your very first post about this? or just not at all? Where would you have liked for me to jump in?

It's okay though, I will bow out of this conversation just for you! I will sit on the sidelines and watch you use your own personal bias as your guiding principles to find data that only supports your opinion or belief.

Thanks, man

 

[Hank Plank]

Missing the playoffs by 5 points over and over is the friend zone.

No that's being in your basement by yourself.

Getting to the finals and losing over and over is having a series of steady girlfriends who you discover aren’t quite marriage material once you finally encounter their hidden crazy.

lol no terrible analogy.

 

[Nothingbutglass]

No it’s not. It’s entirely the topic.

The one game is a logical jumping off point, but I didn’t realize you didn’t understand the the refs predetermine penalty calls in the NHL

We really need to go back and start the conversation there.

Do you agree that the refs do predetermine who they are going to call a penalty on before an infraction happens?



Thanks, man

Game management to favor the Bruins? Why would they do that? You never answered that question either?

 

[cneely]

No it’s not. It’s entirely the topic.

The one game is a logical jumping off point, but I didn’t realize you didn’t understand the the refs predetermine penalty calls in the NHL

We really need to go back and start the conversation there.

Do you agree that the refs do predetermine who they are going to call a penalty on before an infraction happens?

Don't bother watching the games folks. It's all predetermined.

The Bruins are going to win the cup for the 20th time in a row apparently.

 

[Kegs]

The ownership has a lot of practice

 

[Strangle]

Game management to favor the Bruins? Why would they do that? You never answered that question either?

Have patience, man

You’re so quick to get defensive

I was asked to drive the bus when I was asked to present evidence, let me drive the bus and stop trying to derail things

If you don’t agree that the refs use penalties to manage games in the NHL, there is no point in going any further

 

[Hasbro]

Sinden retired.

 

[Strangle]

Don't bother watching the games folks. It's all predetermined.

The Bruins are going to win the cup for the 20th time in a row apparently.

The argument isn’t that the bruins win the cup every year, the argument is that they get favorable treatment by refs when calling penalties.

This doesn’t mean they never have a penalty called against them or that they never lose.

It means that the bruins have been so successful due in part to favorable refereeing

Now can we stay on this topic?

 

[Nothingbutglass]

Have patience, man

You’re so quick to get defensive

I was asked to drive the bus when I was asked to present evidence, let me drive the bus and stop trying to derail things

If you don’t agree that the refs use penalties to manage games in the NHL, there is no point in going any further

What am I defensive about? Answer the question of why the league would be doing this to favor the Bruins. You cant. You are just yelling at clouds.

 

[Strangle]

What am I defensive about? Answer the question of why the league would be doing this to favor the Bruins. You cant. You are just yelling at clouds.

I give up, you’re impossible to talk to

 

[Nothingbutglass]

I give up, you’re impossible to talk to

Why cant you answer the question? I cant make it simpler for you.

 

[Strangle]

Why cant you answer the question? I cant make it simpler for you.

Figure this out.

Do you want me to ‘provide evidence’ like I was asked, or do you want me to play 20 questions with your random shit?

 

[Nothingbutglass]

Figure this out.

Do you want me to ‘provide evidence’ like I was asked, or do you want me to play 20 questions with your random shit?

Its not random. I want you to answer the question why the league is fixing games to favor the Bruins. If you cant answer that simple, direct question then you dont have shit and cant be taken seriously.

 

[Strangle]

Its not random. I want you to answer the question why the league is fixing games to favor the Bruins. If you cant answer that simple, direct question then you dont have shit and cant be taken seriously.

Sure, we will do this then

I didn’t say the league was ‘fixing’ games for the bruins, and I don’t think that they are

I said the bruins have been successful for so long due to favorable refereeing