Why is Boston such a good organization?

[The don godfather]

Solid young core look at today. McAvoy carlo Zacha swayman pasta jake Frederic now poitras and lohrei. Unreal.

 

[Nothingbutglass]

Sure, we will do this then

I didn’t say the league was ‘fixing’ games for the bruins, and I don’t think that they are

I said the bruins have been successful for so long due to favorable refereeing

You didnt answer the why part.

 

[Strangle]

You didnt answer the why part.

I think the ‘why’ is due to their style of play. I think the refs feel like they can’t call all the penalties or it would be ‘unfair’ so they let teams like Boston, who play the way they do, get away with more than other teams who play more clean

If games were called by the book, Boston would either be forced to change their approach, or they would be in the penalty box much more than their opponents, and likely lose a lot more games.

It’s not just Boston, I think the early 2000’s leafs benefitted from the same thing.

 

[wintersej]

Listen to the second ref say “I know” this is systemic and obvious to any and every fan

Just search game management discussions on here, I’m pretty sure you’ve likely posted in some of those discussions.

Who denies that this happens in the NHL??

I guess my mistake was starting with the game evidence, in retrospect I should have begun my evidence with the fact that refs game manage. I thought this was commonly accepted knowledge by now, but I over estimated how tuned in you guys are to the league here

I don't think anyone disagrees game management happens. The difference is then saying that certain teams benefit more.

 

[cneely]

The argument isn’t that the bruins win the cup every year, the argument is that they get favorable treatment by refs when calling penalties.

This doesn’t mean they never have a penalty called against them or that they never lose.

It means that the bruins have been so successful due in part to favorable refereeing

Now can we stay on this topic?

That's an opinion. It's an insane, asinine opinion, but it's an opinion.

 

[Nothingbutglass]

I think the ‘why’ is due to their style of play. I think the refs feel like they can’t call all the penalties or it would be ‘unfair’ so they let teams like Boston, who play the way they do, get away with more than other teams who play more clean

If games were called by the book, Boston would either be forced to change their approach, or they would be in the penalty box much more than their opponents, and likely lose a lot more games.

It’s not just Boston, I think the early 2000’s leafs benefitted from the same thing.

This makes more sense and I actually agree to some extent. I think its the same in the playoffs for all teams. Games have never been called by the book. Games would never finish.

 

[cneely]

This makes more sense and I actually agree to some extent. I think its the same in the playoffs for all teams. Games have never been called by the book. Games would never finish.

Meh, I totally disagree.

Games used to be much worse. Lemieux used to have to carry 3 guys on his back to score. The refs started calling it tighter and players adapted.

 

[tarheelhockey]

No that's being in your basement by yourself.

Being in the basement by yourself is more like the Buffalo Experience, perpetually being way out of the race with no changes on the horizon or storylines worth following, to the point that it’s not even clear why they’re playing the games.

Friend zone is more like Calgary, flirting just enough think they have a chance so you actually watch the games only to see them get eliminated with like 3 games left. None of it was actually exciting any any point, it was just a fanbase being strung along over nothing.

Except of course they did have a hot girlfriend for like 1 year in the middle of all that. And as soon as it got serious, she walked out and left them perpetually single again.

 

[Nothingbutglass]

Meh, I totally disagree.

Games used to be much worse. Lemieux used to have to carry 3 guys on his back to score. The refs started calling it tighter and players adapted.

Yah it was. It's still less tight in the playoffs than regular season. Grinding, hitting teams can have advantage

Playoff hockey

 

[Strangle]

That's an opinion. It's an insane, asinine opinion, but it's an opinion.

This makes more sense and I actually agree to some extent. I think its the same in the playoffs for all teams. Games have never been called by the book. Games would never finish.

Meh, I totally disagree.

Games used to be much worse. Lemieux used to have to carry 3 guys on his back to score. The refs started calling it tighter and players adapted.

So can we finally move on and talk about it?

Or do we still need more remedial work to get in the same page?

 

[Score08]

And if (BIG IF) the Bruins were given preferential treatment in that one game, we are now to use that as a template going forward in order to build out the case.

If so, can we apply this template to all teams and all situations ? We’ll just make random arguments using one game sample size to push whatever agenda suits us in that moment. It will certainly debating hell of lot simpler.

 

[Nothingbutglass]

So can we finally move on and talk about it?

Or do we still need more remedial work to get in the same page?

You still need some remedial communication work. It isnt the Bruins you are wailing about, its checking, tough, playoff style hockey. Some teams dont do as well.

 

[ON3M4N]

Sure, we will do this then

I didn’t say the league was ‘fixing’ games for the bruins, and I don’t think that they are

I said the bruins have been successful for so long due to favorable refereeing

Good thing they give Boston favorable refereeing, because since the '19-'20 season to today, the Bruins are the 3rd most penalized team in the NHL. Imagine how bad it would be if they didn't get favorable refereeing.

 

[Score08]

Sure, the Leafs took more penalties than Boston did but committed less infractions total.

The refs held off calling a powerplay for the leafs (even though they had multiple opportunities, legitimately several opportunities) until Boston was winning 2-0, there was no way the refs, with the bruins down 1 game to none were going to call a leafs powerplay until Boston was winning the game.

How’s that? Next, if you want to participate, you can count the infractions in the video and see what the variance in infractions vs penalties are for both teams.

Once this pattern is established, let’s find some other games were that pattern might be repeated

Im truly flabbergasted at this, furthermore I’m not sure of what your tactics are so I’m going to skip this and save what little sanity I have left this afternoon.

 

[Strangle]

Good thing they give Boston favorable refereeing, because since the '19-'20 season to today, the Bruins are the 3rd most penalized team in the NHL. Imagine how bad it would be if they didn't get favorable refereeing.

No, you’re not at all understanding.

If you guys would have looked at my example you’d know what I’m talking about.

The bruins get less penalties than they commit, what’s the ratio to other top teams? Hard to say, you’d need to do a study.

And cleaner teams get MORE penalties than they really deserve.

This makes it appear to be fair in something like a box score or a spreadsheet

This is why it looks like the bruins committed less penalties than the leafs did in game 2 in 2019. Because that’s what the box score says. But if you watch the game, it’s pretty obvious that that isn’t the reality.

So looking at the logs is irrelevant

 

[ON3M4N]

No, you’re not at all understanding.

If you guys would have looked at my example you’d know what I’m talking about.

The bruins get less penalties than they commit, what’s the ratio to other top teams? Hard to say, you’d need to do a study.

And cleaner teams get MORE penalties than they really deserve.

This makes it appear to be fair in something like a box score or a spreadsheet

This is why it looks like the bruins committed less penalties than the leafs did in game 2 in 2019. Because that’s what the box score says. But if you watch the game, it’s pretty obvious that that isn’t the reality.

So looking at the logs is irrelevant

I can tell you that over the same time frame as them being ranked 3rd in penalties taken, they are at -58 in net penalties (they took 58 more penalties then the drew), which ranks 27th. Colorado ranked #1 by drawing 158 penalties more than they took.

The idea that Boston gets favorable officiating is laughable

 

[Strangle]

I can tell you that over the same time frame as them being ranked 3rd in penalties taken, they are at -58 in net penalties (they took 58 more penalties then the drew), which ranks 27th. Colorado ranked #1 by drawing 158 penalties more than they took.

The idea that Boston gets favorable officiating is laughable

Another detractor with a bruins pfp

Fancy that!

 

[cneely]

So can we finally move on and talk about it?

Or do we still need more remedial work to get in the same page?

Have I demonstrated that the Blue Jackets are a better team than the Maple Leafs?

So can we finally move on and talk about it?

Or do we still need more remedial work to get in the same page?

Game management /= favoritism.

If so, can we apply this template to all teams and all situations ? We’ll just make random arguments using one game sample size to push whatever agenda suits us in that moment. It will certainly debating hell of lot simpler.

The Leafs got 5 straight power plays against the Jets last night. Apparently they are favored by the refs.

Here are the highlights:


And here is the box score:

Winnipeg Jets vs. Toronto Maple Leafs Box Score: January 24, 2024 | Hockey-Reference.com

Get the latest box score updates on the Winnipeg Jets vs. Toronto Maple Leafs game played on January 24, 2024 on Hockey-Reference.com

www.hockey-reference.com

DEFINITIVE PROOF!!!!!

 

[cneely]

Another detractor with a bruins pfp

Fancy that!

Doesn't like the facts. Attacks the messenger.

Fancy that.

 

[Come Gun]

Doesn't like the facts. Attacks the messenger.

Fancy that.

I think they believe their profile picture hides the large amount of Leafs board activity they have.

Just another Leafs fan trying to detract from the Bruins success.

Fancy that!

 

[Strangle]

Have I demonstrated that the Blue Jackets are a better team than the Maple Leafs?


Game management /= favoritism.


The Leafs got 5 straight power plays against the Jets last night. Apparently they are favored by the refs.

Here are the highlights:


And here is the box score:

Winnipeg Jets vs. Toronto Maple Leafs Box Score: January 24, 2024 | Hockey-Reference.com

Get the latest box score updates on the Winnipeg Jets vs. Toronto Maple Leafs game played on January 24, 2024 on Hockey-Reference.com

www.hockey-reference.com

DEFINITIVE PROOF!!!!!

I didn’t say the refs favored the bruins, I said the receive favorable refereeing. Theres a difference, and you’ve been putting words that I didn’t say out there this whole conversation.

That leaf game? 100% fishy as f***. I’m glad you’re finally on board here.

My first thought about that 5 PP in a row was that the refs know people are noticing the leafs haven’t been getting nearly enough powerplays due to how they manage the games, so this would be a bit of a boost for them to crawl out of bottom 2-3 in the league

I think they believe their profile picture hides the large amount of Leafs board activity they have.

Just another Leafs fan trying to detract from the Bruins success.

Fancy that!

I’m a leaf fan, all my life

 

[Come Gun]

I’m a leaf fan, all my life

We know, the bias in your opinion has been obvious from the start

 

[Nothingbutglass]

I didn’t say the refs favored the bruins, I said the receive favorable refereeing. Theres a difference, and you’ve been putting words that I didn’t say out there this whole conversation.

That leaf game? 100% fishy as f***. I’m glad you’re finally on board here.

My first thought about that 5 PP in a row was that the refs know people are noticing the leafs haven’t been getting nearly enough powerplays due to how they manage the games, so this would be a bit of a boost for them to crawl out of bottom 2-3 in the league



I’m a leaf fan, all my life

So pressure on the refs to give the Leafs some PPs, so they can mask the real goal of not giving the Leafs PPs? Could it be the Leafs play pond hockey and it doesnt work in playoff type, high effort, checking games?

 

[Ozz]

I'm sure it's been said in 21 pages, but Jack Edwards exudes class and great, which spreads throughout the whole organization.

 

[cneely]

I didn’t say the refs favored the bruins, I said the receive favorable refereeing. Theres a difference, and you’ve been putting words that I didn’t say out there this whole conversation.

That leaf game? 100% fishy as f***. I’m glad you’re finally on board here.

My first thought about that 5 PP in a row was that the refs know people are noticing the leafs haven’t been getting nearly enough powerplays due to how they manage the games, so this would be a bit of a boost for them to crawl out of bottom 2-3 in the league



I’m a leaf fan, all my life

I mean, I love a good debate.

But I may have to tap out. There's just too much stupid here for me.

I'm sure it's been said in 21 pages, but Jack Edwards exudes class and great, which spreads throughout the whole organization.

Definitely starts at the top.