Why is Boston such a good organization?

[Nothingbutglass]

I'm sure it's been said in 21 pages, but Jack Edwards exudes class and great, which spreads throughout the whole organization.

WTF? Are you lost?

 

[jgatie]

Another detractor with a bruins pfp

Fancy that!

Deflection, labelling, not discussing the topic.

 

[Strangle]

So pressure on the refs to give the Leafs some PPs, so they can mask the real goal of not giving the Leafs PPs? Could it be the Leafs play pond hockey and it doesnt work in playoff type, high effort, checking games?

I won’t argue that, I agree

Deflection, labelling, not discussing the topic.

Sounds like this thread the past couple days lol

 

[jgatie]

Sounds like this thread the past couple days lol

What are you laughing about? That's all, you've been doing. You haven't addressed 90% of your critics with anything but accusations that they arent discussing that one silly game from half a decade ago, labeling them as Bruins fans or posting nonsense like videos of Marchand's suspension infractions. The next legitimate evidence you post will be your first.

 

[Strangle]

What are you laughing about? That's all, you've been doing. You haven't addressed 90% of your critics with anything but accusations that they arent discussing that one silly game from half a decade ago, labeling them as Bruins fans or posting nonsense like videos of Marchand's suspension infractions. The next legitimate evidence you post will be your first.

What am I supposed to address?

All that you’ve said is ‘not THAT evidence!’ Like what the hell are you talking about?

The bruins have been successful due to favorable officiating

I thought that’s what I was supposed to be addressing?

I was asked for evidence, I showed the video of most of the infractions that weren’t called in a specific game, along with the box score to show that the refs had favorably officiated the game in the bruins favor ….. and everyone got super butthurt about it. That part is not my problem, that’s a you problem.

A bunch of overly sensitive bruins fans then wanted to know if I thought Columbus was better than the leafs (like, what?). Or that I think there’s a conspiracy by the NHL to have the bruins win the cup 20 years straight (again…. Gonna need a quote for that one. Evidence? Lmao)

So I realized that you guys don’t seem to know that the refs manage the game in the way they call penalties. So I explained that to you, the Tim peel firing is the easiest proof out there, so not a big deal.

But you can’t even bring yourself to acknowledge even that.

I mean, what am I supposed to do with you? You’re pointedly not at all engaging with anything I’ve said or posted, you’re constantly trying to change the subject away from favorable officiating and trying to … make fun of me?

Man, lmao.

I was born in the 80’s, you’re not going to hurt my feelings.

I guess your slap down defense is “uh uh” *thumbs up* good one!

Did the way game 2 in 2019 was officiated help the bruins win? Should be easy to answer but I know you’ll say “ITS ONE GAME OMG OMG”.

Once we can establish that

1. Officiating is a subjective activity that is used by the refs to manage the game

2. The Bruins should not have been up 2-0 before the leafs were given a powerplay

3. Favorable officiating worked in the bruins favor to win that game

4. The bruins have been consistantly effective due to a pattern of the same kind of favorable officiating that we see in game 2 of the 2019 playoffs

Once you catch up to the conversation, we can move on past “OMG OME GAME?!!! HAHAHAH YOU SO CRAT CRAY STRANG”

But we aren’t going to be able to do that until you catch up on terms of the discussion, which I’ve listed for you to recap.

Read it slowly, and try to address those 4 things. Now try to keep up, and try to stay on topic.

 

[Ned Bouhalassa]

It’s because one of their players is a spectacular drummer:

* Not Photoshopped!

 

[albator71]

I think that everybody buys in the identity of the team. They play a simple game, they minimize the mistakes and they have solid goaltending.

 

[nbwingsfan]

I think the ‘why’ is due to their style of play. I think the refs feel like they can’t call all the penalties or it would be ‘unfair’ so they let teams like Boston, who play the way they do, get away with more than other teams who play more clean

If games were called by the book, Boston would either be forced to change their approach, or they would be in the penalty box much more than their opponents, and likely lose a lot more games.

It’s not just Boston, I think the early 2000’s leafs benefitted from the same thing.

The Bruins have been a very soft team to play against the last few years. This is becoming (is) straight up comical at this point

 

[Strangle]

I think that everybody buys in the identity of the team. They play a simple game, they minimize the mistakes and they have solid goaltending.

They also really benefit from favorable officiating

The Bruins have been a very soft team to play against the last few years. This is becoming (is) straight up comical at this point

Oh look, he didn’t actually address any of the points that we are actually discussing. What a surprise. I even numbered them for you, counted them for you, but off you go on a left turn, there you go, bye dude! See ya later, I guess? Enjoy wherever you’re going!

What’s comical is just how hard you guys are working to avoid talking about what I was asked to bring to the table

 

[nbwingsfan]

They also really benefit from favorable officiating





Oh look, he didn’t actually address any of the points that we are actually discussing. What a surprise. I even numbered them for you, counted them for you, but off you go on a left turn, there you go, bye dude! See ya later, I guess? Enjoy wherever you’re going!

What’s comical is just how hard you guys are working to avoid talking about what I was asked to bring to the table

You’re claiming they get favourable reffing because of their style of play l….

Soft play = favourable reffing? I thought you said it was dirty okay? Why can’t you make up your mind?

Also if winning games is as simple as “make a shit load of dirty plays and eventually the refs stop giving you penalties” then why haven’t other teams caught on if it’s “so obvious to see”?

 

[jgatie]

Fell for it again. I forgot this was a work. Nobody can be this stupid unless they are putting us on.

 

[Strangle]

You’re claiming they get favourable reffing because of their style of play l….

Soft play = favourable reffing? I thought you said it was dirty okay? Why can’t you make up your mind?

Also if winning games is as simple as “make a shit load of dirty plays and eventually the refs stop giving you penalties” then why haven’t other teams caught on if it’s “so obvious to see”?

We can get to this, but first we need to agree about the foundation of the argument. Which one of those 4 points are you arguing with me against?

You brought a single game to the table, which is at best anectdotal, which isnt a pattern at all. How about some aggregate stats?

Again, we can get to that. But first we need to establish the terms of the argument I’m making.

If I can’t bring you even that far, there’s no point.

Just tell me which of my 4 points you disagree with. Why is this so hard for you guys?

 

[nbwingsfan]

What am I supposed to address?

All that you’ve said is ‘not THAT evidence!’ Like what the hell are you talking about?

The bruins have been successful due to favorable officiating

I thought that’s what I was supposed to be addressing?

I was asked for evidence, I showed the video of most of the infractions that weren’t called in a specific game, along with the box score to show that the refs had favorably officiated the game in the bruins favor ….. and everyone got super butthurt about it. That part is not my problem, that’s a you problem.

A bunch of overly sensitive bruins fans then wanted to know if I thought Columbus was better than the leafs (like, what?). Or that I think there’s a conspiracy by the NHL to have the bruins win the cup 20 years straight (again…. Gonna need a quote for that one. Evidence? Lmao)

So I realized that you guys don’t seem to know that the refs manage the game in the way they call penalties. So I explained that to you, the Tim peel firing is the easiest proof out there, so not a big deal.

But you can’t even bring yourself to acknowledge even that.

I mean, what am I supposed to do with you? You’re pointedly not at all engaging with anything I’ve said or posted, you’re constantly trying to change the subject away from favorable officiating and trying to … make fun of me?

Man, lmao.

I was born in the 80’s, you’re not going to hurt my feelings.

I guess your slap down defense is “uh uh” *thumbs up* good one!

Did the way game 2 in 2019 was officiated help the bruins win? Should be easy to answer but I know you’ll say “ITS ONE GAME OMG OMG”.

Once we can establish that

1. Officiating is a subjective activity that is used by the refs to manage the game

2. The Bruins should not have been up 2-0 before the leafs were given a powerplay

3. Favorable officiating worked in the bruins favor to win that game

4. The bruins have been consistantly effective due to a pattern of the same kind of favorable officiating that we see in game 2 of the 2019 playoffs

Once you catch up to the conversation, we can move on past “OMG OME GAME?!!! HAHAHAH YOU SO CRAT CRAY STRANG”

But we aren’t going to be able to do that until you catch up on terms of the discussion, which I’ve listed for you to recap.

Read it slowly, and try to address those 4 things. Now try to keep up, and try to stay on topic.

2. Why shouldn’t the Bruins have been up 2-0?

3. Calls were missed by BOTH teams

4. The Bruins have consistently been a soft team since like 2020… why have they still been so great then?

Now that those are addressed, why hasn’t every team just tried the tactic of “be as dirty as humanly possible” if that’s all it takes to win games?

 

[Over the volcano]

Who would have thought the thread would have been derailed by a Leafs fan still upset about a game from 5 years ago....

 

[jgatie]

Who would have thought the thread would have been derailed by a Leafs fan still upset about a game from 5 years ago....

Personally, I'd have bet the house on it. Nobody could ever lose money betting a main board thread will be taken over by Leafs fans. It's like betting on the sun coming up.

 

[Strangle]

2. Why shouldn’t the Bruins have been up 2-0?

Because there should have been multiple penalties called on the bruins before any goals were scored

The first blatant ‘missed’ call was the interference on Hyman at the beginning of the game.

Leafs should have basically started that game with a powerplay, and they didn’t get even one until the bruins were up 2-0.

That’s how the refs were managing that game

3. Calls were missed by BOTH teams

Sure, but not even close though. The refs missed a lot more calls against Boston than they did against Toronto.

There was no interference penalty in that game, no high sticking calls, no tripping calls, no elbowing calls, that the refs had the opportunity to call against Boston but did not.

The leafs didn’t do all those things, but Boston did

4. The Bruins have consistently been a soft team since like 2020… why have they still been so great then?

Favorable officiating

Now that those are addressed, why hasn’t every team just tried the tactic of “be as dirty as humanly possible” if that’s all it takes to win games?

Sure, we can look at Vegas and Tampa and Florida and …. St. Louis? We can dig into Chicago’s history of winning, we can look at Colorado and figure out if they should really be leading the league in power plays.

But aren’t we talking about Boston and officiating right now? It’s taken days and way too much typing to even get this far, I don’t really want to take on investigating how officiating differs for all 32 teams right now. Maybe after this discussion has run its course, but this alone has proven to be a pretty big time sink and we haven’t even gotten into it yet

 

[jgatie]

Again, we can get to that. But first we need to establish the terms of the argument I’m making.

If I can’t bring you even that far, there’s no point.

Just tell me which of my 4 points you disagree with. Why is this so hard for you guys?

Your points are useless. They are specific to a single game half a decade ago. There is no way to prove your premise by debating a single anecdotal game, so stop trying to suck us into perpetuating your nonsense

 

[Strangle]

Who would have thought the thread would have been derailed by a Leafs fan still upset about a game from 5 years ago....

How is it derailed? We’re talking about

​

Why is Boston such a good organization?​

Well, at least I am. I know it’s been hard for you guys to stay on track. You all got pretty emotional right off the bat

Your points are useless. They are specific to a single game half a decade ago. There is no way to prove your premise by debating a single anecdotal game, so stop trying to suck us into perpetuating your nonsense

Cool, stop pinging me if you don’t want me to respond to you

Simple? (Probably not, but lol)

 

[jgatie]

You know he's really not as clever as he's trying to be.

 

[nbwingsfan]

Because there should have been multiple penalties called on the bruins before any goals were scored

The first blatant ‘missed’ call was the interference on Hyman at the beginning of the game.

Leafs should have basically started that game with a powerplay, and they didn’t get even one until the bruins were up 2-0.

That’s how the refs were managing that game



Sure, but not even close though. The refs missed a lot more calls against Boston than they did against Toronto.

There was no interference penalty in that game, no high sticking calls, no tripping calls, no elbowing calls, that the refs had the opportunity to call against Boston but did not.

The leafs didn’t do all those things, but Boston did



Favorable officiating



Sure, we can look at Vegas and Tampa and Florida and …. St. Louis? We can dig into Chicago’s history of winning, we can look at Colorado and figure out if they should really be leading the league in power plays

But aren’t we talking about Boston and officiating right now? It’s taken days and way too much typing to even get this far, I don’t really want to take on investigating how officiating differs for all 32 teams right now. Maybe after this discussion has run its course, but this alone has proven to be a pretty big time sink and we haven’t even gotten into it yet

Hilarious that in your imaginary world if the Maple Leafs got 1-2 more PPs they would have automatically scored a couple goals and negated the two goals the Bruins scored at ES… they were 0-4 that game

To point 4, where your entire argument completely falls apart (let’s pretend for a second it didn’t fall apart before you even started and this hasn’t been hilarious from the start)….

Why would the Bruins still be getting “favourable officiating” when they’re a very soft team who barely play physical?

 

[Strangle]

Hilarious that in your imaginary world if the Maple Leafs got 1-2 more PPs they would have automatically scored a couple goals and negated the two goals the Bruins scored at ES… they were 0-4 that game

To point 4, where your entire argument completely falls apart (let’s pretend for a second it didn’t fall apart before you even started and this hasn’t been hilarious from the start)….

Why would the Bruins still be getting “favourable officiating” when they’re a very soft team who barely play physical?

You’re skipping over the game management part. If at least that first interference call - which couldn’t be more blatant, honestly. One of the most obvious interference penalties I’ve ever seen. And they do call those in the playoffs, Holl got called for interference and it negated a Tavares goal - and the leafs start the game on the powerplay, the entire game changes.

They don’t even have to score, but Boston would have likely (if they were smart) not played as far outside the rule book. Because if they call that interference, then you know right off the bat they’re calling a dozen penalties on the bruins if the rest of the game plays out the same way.

You know this, too. Not sure why you’re playing off like “wouldn’t have changed a thing”

 

[Over the volcano]

Personally, I'd have bet the house on it. Nobody could ever lose money betting a main board thread will be taken over by Leafs fans. It's like betting on the sun coming up.

Right?!?

 

[Strangle]

Hilarious that in your imaginary world if the Maple Leafs got 1-2 more PPs they would have automatically scored a couple goals and negated the two goals the Bruins scored at ES… they were 0-4 that game

To point 4, where your entire argument completely falls apart (let’s pretend for a second it didn’t fall apart before you even started and this hasn’t been hilarious from the start)….

Why would the Bruins still be getting “favourable officiating” when they’re a very soft team who barely play physical?

Sorry I forgot your second point here. I mean, I’m a leaf fan. I watched Marchand slew foot lilligren and take him out of the lineup for around 6-7 weeks.

No penalty called. That seems like favorable officiating to me.

I haven’t watched a ton of bruins games this year, and I certainly couldn’t remember them off the top of my head if I did, but that wasn’t even a penalty, should have been a suspension

 

[ON3M4N]

Another detractor with a bruins pfp

Fancy that!

Lol you can't dispute my point (because you know logically you can't), so you try and diminish it because I'm Bruins fan.

I'm sorry that the numbers don't support the little thread of hope you've clung to for years in order to cope with Toronto losing to Boston.

While some fans may entertain a back and fourth with you, I'm not one of them. In the 2 replies you've provided its clear you bring nothing of value to the table. Any further discussion with you would be less productive than talking to a wall. Thankfully HF gives us an ignore feature and it's one of the greatest features of the site

 

[Strangle]

Lol you can't dispute my point (because you know logically you can't), so you try and diminish it because I'm Bruins fan.

I'm sorry that the numbers don't support the little thread of hope you've clung to for years in order to cope with Toronto losing to Boston.

While some fans may entertain a back and fourth with you, I'm not one of them. In the 2 replies you've provided its clear you bring nothing of value to the table. Any further discussion with you would be less productive than talking to a wall. Thankfully HF gives us an ignore feature and it's one of the greatest features of the site

Cheers, brother!