Why is Boston such a good organization?

[Hank Plank]

No team has lost more times in the Cup final, if that's your standard then yea they are hella good.

 

[conFABulator]

I think the main point is even teams which win multiple Cups; Chicago, LA, and to a lesser extent, Pittsburgh, have had to rebuild or hit a low. The Bruins haven't really had to rebuild, and haven't had a top 10 pick of their own in 16 years. They also defy every prediction that "This is the year the bottom falls out." I don't think anyone is talking about dynastic type success.

Thanks and I do understand and respect franchises that can do that. Again, are the Bruins that team? I know they have been able to avoid bottoming out and rebuilding but did I miss the multiple cups part?

San Jose has a long run of sustained success. They didn't win a cup and are now viewed as a cautionary tale. I don't see why Boston is held higher, or much higher. I most discussions on here regular season success without cups is not considered success. I am not slagging the B's just not sure why they are being singled out ahead of say, Tampa?

 

[jgatie]

No team has lost more times in the Cup final, if that's your standard then yea they are hella good.

As opposed to the teams that don't get there?

 

[Hank Plank]

As opposed to the teams that don't get there?

Does that make you feel better? Losing in the final vs. other rounds?

 

[conFABulator]

I think the whole premise is how do they keep staying competitive since 2008 when the highest pick (of their own) was like 15th overall or something like that and they’ve had their star franchise playiers retire

Thanks. They do stay impressively and confusingly competitive. I guess I was just wondering when we consider sustained competitiveness to be success and when we consider to be a missed opportunity to win a cup, or a failure to get over the hump?

 

[jgatie]

Thanks and I do understand and respect franchises that can do that. Again, are the Bruins that team? I know they have been able to avoid bottoming out and rebuilding but did I miss the multiple cups part?

San Jose has a long run of sustained success. They didn't win a cup and are now viewed as a cautionary tale. I don't see why Boston is held higher, or much higher. I most discussions on here regular season success without cups is not considered success. I am not slagging the B's just not sure why they are being singled out ahead of say, Tampa?

I didn't say they won multiple Cups, so no you didn't miss it. As to the rest, ask the OP. They're the one who started the thread. I'm just having fun with delusional Canucks and Leafs fans.

 

[jgatie]

Does that make you feel better? Losing in the final vs. other rounds?

Speaking for myself, absolutely. Anytime I can watch my team playing in June is better than stopping in April. The farther they go, the better they are. Why, are you happier losing in the first round than the final? (Which assumes your team has made a Cup final to compare it with).

 

[conFABulator]

I didn't say they won multiple Cups, so no you didn't miss it. As to the rest, ask the OP. They're the one who started the thread. I'm just having fun with delusional Canucks and Leafs fans.

Well, your post certainly seemed to lump the Bruins in with teams that won multiple cups and then contrasted them by saying they didn't have to bottom out like the others did.

I haven't read enough of the posts to know how certain fans have been delusional but with one cup in 50+ years the Bruins and their fans shouldn't have too much swagger.

 

[Gnome17]

One word, Leadership. Basically, it starts with Jack Edwards and trickles down from there.

 

[jgatie]

Well, your post certainly seemed to lump the Bruins in with teams that won multiple cups and then contrasted them by saying they didn't have to bottom out like the others did.

I haven't read enough of the posts to know how certain fans have been delusional but with one cup in 50+ years the Bruins and their fans shouldn't have too much swagger.

I was polite and honest with my answers, and you come back with this. I'll not reply again.

 

[Hank Plank]

Speaking for myself, absolutely. Anytime I can watch my team playing in June is better than stopping in April. The farther they go, the better they are. Why, are you happier losing in the first round than the final? (Which assumes your team has made a Cup final to compare it with).

Not an easy answer. Every year a team goes to the finals and loses, if it's a one and done until 15-20 years later then I don't take any joy in the failed Cup run. Flames fans wax nostalgic about losing in 2004 I don't get that.

For Boston, it's quite the failure. One Cup in forever given their talent etc. is not great. Better than zero but every club that plays a Canadian team in the finals wins.

Pens are my 2nd team so I'm lucky there.

 

[jgatie]

Not an easy answer. Every year a team goes to the finals and loses, if it's a one and done until 15-20 years later then I don't take any joy in the failed Cup run. Flames fans wax nostalgic about losing in 2004 I don't get that.

For Boston, it's quite the failure. One Cup in forever given their talent etc. is not great. Better than zero but every club that plays a Canadian team in the finals wins.

Pens are my 2nd team so I'm lucky there.

Agree to disagree. I love watching hockey, but my ultimate happiness or sense of success/failure doesn't depend on winning the Cup. Sure winning is great, but the journey is an even better thing for me. I think the 2013 final was awesome hockey, two great teams going to war. 2019's ending sucked, but I watched every game with my brother and had a great time. That's what sports mean to me.

 

[nbwingsfan]

Well, your post certainly seemed to lump the Bruins in with teams that won multiple cups and then contrasted them by saying they didn't have to bottom out like the others did.

I haven't read enough of the posts to know how certain fans have been delusional but with one cup in 50+ years the Bruins and their fans shouldn't have too much swagger.

Eh, as a fan if a team who was competing for a very long time and now has put together some unwatchable rosters the last few years I think I would much prefer the Bruins model

 

[Hank Plank]

Agree to disagree. I love watching hockey, but my ultimate happiness or sense of success/failure doesn't depend on winning the Cup. Sure winning is great, but the journey is an even better thing for me. I think the 2013 final was awesome hockey, two great teams going to war. 2019's ending sucked, but I watched every game with my brother and had a great time. That's what sports mean to me.

Winning is everything to me and I don't apologize for it. I am certain the journey for players is not as sweet as lifting the Cup.

 

[nbwingsfan]

Not an easy answer. Every year a team goes to the finals and loses, if it's a one and done until 15-20 years later then I don't take any joy in the failed Cup run. Flames fans wax nostalgic about losing in 2004 I don't get that.

For Boston, it's quite the failure. One Cup in forever given their talent etc. is not great. Better than zero but every club that plays a Canadian team in the finals wins.

Pens are my 2nd team so I'm lucky there.

Sure, but what will the Pens look like when Malkin, Crosby and Letang leave?

The Bruins have still managed to stay a top team without rebuilding even while having traded/retired Savard, Krejci, Bergeron, Chara, Rask, Kessel, Hamilton

 

[jgatie]

Winning is everything to me and I don't apologize for it. I am certain the journey for players is not as sweet as lifting the Cup.

Not asking for an apology. I said my opinion, you are more than entitled to yours.

 

[Hank Plank]

Sure, but what will the Pens look like when Malkin, Crosby and Letang leave?

The Bruins have still managed to stay a top team without rebuilding even while having traded/retired Savard, Krejci, Bergeron, Chara, Rask, Kessel, Hamilton

I'll take the 3 Cups all day and night versus always being a contender and rarely winning.

 

[toddkaz]

No high draft picks in forever. Retirements to key players. High tax state. Just seems like they always have later picks stepping up and every signing/trade they make seems to work out.

What has Boston figured out that everyone else hasn’t?

They figured out just do the opposite of Buffalo.

 

[SmoggyTwinkles]

I mean the Bruins were 1 and 2 (really bad1 game and 1 minute) games away from other Cups as well. It’s not like they’re a team who has just made the o playoffs every season.

They also did it without top 5 (of their own) picks like Tampa and Chicago were built off of.

I am incredibly envious of what the Bruins have built and continue to build

I think most hockey fans are envious of it, and yet it has produced 1 single stanley cup vs the Canucks.

It's actually annoying. And my team is their bitch.

 

[SmoggyTwinkles]

I mean the Bruins were 1 and 2 (really bad1 game and 1 minute) games away from other Cups as well. It’s not like they’re a team who has just made the o playoffs every season.

They also did it without top 5 (of their own) picks like Tampa and Chicago were built off of.

I am incredibly envious of what the Bruins have built and continue to build

Well that is weird. I'm going to go ahead and assume you are a Wings fan..............who somehow doesn't remember how successful the Wings were for like 2 decades.

 

[Gregor Samsa]

Probably a ship of Theseus situation. They have been consistently good but only have one cup. I don’t know if that makes them better or worse. The reverse side is a team like the Marlins: good 2 times in like 30 years but have 2 World Series wins

 

[nbwingsfan]

I'll take the 3 Cups all day and night versus always being a contender and rarely winning.

Well that’s your opinion. I’ve seen the Wings win 4 cups and IMO the Bruins always competing would be much more enjoyable than the Garbage of the 2017-2023 Wings.

I’m guessing you weren’t around when the Pens were so bad they nearly left the city?

Well that is weird. I'm going to go ahead and assume you are a Wings fan..............who somehow doesn't remember how successful the Wings were for like 2 decades.

I do, vividly remember 4 Cups. And like everyone else minus the Bruins, needed to rebuild during the cap era and it has been horrible to witness.

 

[Hank Plank]

I’m guessing you weren’t around when the Pens were so bad they nearly left the city?

I was.

 

[Osakahaus]

OP i had to do a double take

this is the same organization that passed up on Barzal, Connor, Chabot, Eriksson Ek, etc for Zboril, DeBrusk and Senyshyn. They're good but great? They stay great because they managed to get a good coach again.

 

[Banded Peak]

OP i had to do a double take

this is the same organization that passed up on Barzal, Connor, Chabot, Eriksson Ek, etc for Zboril, DeBrusk and Senyshyn. They're good but great? They stay great because they managed to get a good coach again.

Yeah, they botched a draft nearly a decade ago. Kind of speaks to the quality of the organization that in the years since then they've been a perennial contender with a trip to the final. Unlike any of the teams that took those players they supposedly whiffed on. You wouldve liked to see another win during the Bergeron era but it is what it is.

And yeah they hired a great coach. Who followed long tenured and successful head coach in Cassidy. Who himself followed a long tenured and successful head coach. Almost like they know what they’re doing in that regard.