Why is Boston such a good organization?

[jgatie]

Dear NHL referees, please stop the game management penalty calling

Ever since an NHL referee was terminated in March 2021 for getting caught on a hot mic talking about wanting

sportsnaut.com

This article has all the research and citations in its links. The current Bruins is softer and more skilled, but the 2008 until Bergeron retired version was pretty tough. Combine that with the playstyle of scrumming after every hit, but somehow not being penalized much for it makes people wonder.
Lucic? Chara? Boychuk. Marshand? McAvoy. 1 fluke incident causing long term injury being let go or lightly punished is one thing. There seems to be a history of it with this team. It's in the culture.

Lightly punished and Marchand in the same paragraph? The man has been suspended more times than anyone in the NHL. Dear God, stop embarrassing yourself. As to the rest? When you have to back over a decade for 3 of your 5 examples, you aren't convincing anyone (BTW, 2011 is over, let it go).

 

[TurboLemon]

Lightly punished and Marchand in the same paragraph? The man has been suspended more times than anyone in the NHL. Dear God, stop embarrassing yourself. As to the rest? When you have to back over a decade for 3 of your 5 examples, you aren't convincing anyone (BTW, 2011 is over, let it go).

Umm. This thread is about why they've been so good for so long. I figured they've been good since 2008.

 

[jgatie]

Umm. This thread is about why they've been so good for so long. I figured they've been good since 2008.

You are claiming they have constantly received the aid of the referees and NHL disciplinary actions for the last 16 years. For proof you list the single most suspended player over that time, and 3 players whose only questionable incidents (Pacioretty, Mason Raymond and who/what for Lucic?) while with the Bruins occurred over a decade ago. Doesn't do your argument much good, bub. Try harder.

 

[jgatie]

Did you read your own article? He's 10th in RTP calls lol.

He said he gets away with talking to the refs.

Did you hear that guys? Elite, HOF caliber players get more leeway from the refs than some no name jobber called off the practice squad. News at 11!

Gee what a concept. If only the NHL had a way of allowing the more veteran players to get direct access to the refs. Like each team has one guy and maybe two underlings who are allowed to discuss things with the refs after the play is stopped. Maybe give them a letter on their jersey or something? Of course bitter Canucks and Leafs fans would claim that's just the refs giving the Bruins an edge.

 

[SmoggyTwinkles]

No high draft picks in forever. Retirements to key players. High tax state. Just seems like they always have later picks stepping up and every signing/trade they make seems to work out.

What has Boston figured out that everyone else hasn’t?

I hate that Boston somehow keeps being a great team every year.

But you're probably a Blackhawk's fan judging by your avatar.

So question, these big bad Bruins have how many cups? And when was the last one?

What did the Blackhawks, Lightning, and whoever else figure out? Cause that's dynasty talk, Bruins are scary good every year, one cup.

One cup more than I will probably ever experience with my team in my lifetime, I can fully admit that.

 

[nbwingsfan]

Dear NHL referees, please stop the game management penalty calling

Ever since an NHL referee was terminated in March 2021 for getting caught on a hot mic talking about wanting

sportsnaut.com

This article has all the research and citations in its links. The current Bruins is softer and more skilled, but the 2008 until Bergeron retired version was pretty tough. Combine that with the playstyle of scrumming after every hit, but somehow not being penalized much for it makes people wonder.
Lucic? Chara? Boychuk. Marshand? McAvoy. 1 fluke incident causing long term injury being let go or lightly punished is one thing. There seems to be a history of it with this team. It's in the culture.

Who has Chara or McAvoy or Lucic given “long term injury” to?

 

[nbwingsfan]

I hate that Boston somehow keeps being a great team every year.

But you're probably a Blackhawk's fan judging by your avatar.

So question, these big bad Bruins have how many cups? And when was the last one?

What did the Blackhawks, Lightning, and whoever else figure out? Cause that's dynasty talk, Bruins are scary good every year, one cup.

One cup more than I will probably ever experience with my team in my lifetime, I can fully admit that.

I mean the Bruins were 1 and 2 (really bad1 game and 1 minute) games away from other Cups as well. It’s not like they’re a team who has just made the o playoffs every season.

They also did it without top 5 (of their own) picks like Tampa and Chicago were built off of.

I am incredibly envious of what the Bruins have built and continue to build

 

[PatriceBergeronFan]

Gotta love the tin foil hat crazies. They really do make my day with their nonsense.

It certainly made for an interesting series of reading. Turning Boston's success into the refs did it singlehandedly, based on a single playoff game.

These Bruins have been one of the softest teams in the NHL the last handful of seasons. If nothing else it proves the premise of the topic. The Bruins have transitioned through players, coaches, and styles and remain at the top.

 

[Strangle]

"Makes people wonder"
"There seems to be a history"

You realize that's not evidence right?

You’re not going to accept any evidence, so why even ask?

Multiple people could bring dozens of things and you’re just going to ignore it, so why even bother?

I’ve been trying to talk to you about game 2 in 2019 and it’s all deflection, deflection, whataboutism, denial, personal attacks, mocking, deflection from you and the other bruins fans in here.

People online tend to do this all the time “that’s not true, show me evidence” - provides evidence “no, that doesn’t count, show me more!” - shows some more evidence “oh you’re just crazy! What even are you talking about? That’s not evidence!”

And never, ever engage in what you requested.

It’s got to be some kind of neurosis. Do you do this in real life too, or is it just online?

 

[Nothingbutglass]

You’re not going to accept any evidence, so why even ask?

Multiple people could bring dozens of things and you’re just going to ignore it, so why even bother?

I’ve been trying to talk to you about game 2 in 2019 and it’s all deflection, deflection, whataboutism, denial, personal attacks, mocking, deflection from you and the other bruins fans in here.

People online tend to do this all the time “that’s not true, show me evidence” - provides evidence “no, that doesn’t count, show me more!” - shows some more evidence “oh you’re just crazy! What even are you talking about? That’s not evidence!”

And never, ever engage in what you requested.

It’s got to be some kind of neurosis. Do you do this in real life too, or is it just online?

How about 1 person brings 1 thing that is evidence? You havent brought any.

 

[jgatie]

ONE GAME IS NOT EVIDENCE!!! Even if we agree the Bruins got an advantage in that one game, IT MEANS NOTHING!!! You can't prove what you claim is a decade+ long conspiracy by listing one game. No matter how much one discusses it, anecdote is not evidence.

 

[jgatie]

This thread is yet another reason why logic and debate should be a required course in every school curriculum.

 

[nbwingsfan]

You’re not going to accept any evidence, so why even ask?

Multiple people could bring dozens of things and you’re just going to ignore it, so why even bother?

I’ve been trying to talk to you about game 2 in 2019 and it’s all deflection, deflection, whataboutism, denial, personal attacks, mocking, deflection from you and the other bruins fans in here.

People online tend to do this all the time “that’s not true, show me evidence” - provides evidence “no, that doesn’t count, show me more!” - shows some more evidence “oh you’re just crazy! What even are you talking about? That’s not evidence!”

And never, ever engage in what you requested.

It’s got to be some kind of neurosis. Do you do this in real life too, or is it just online?

1. You brought up 2019. Multiple people have said that’s a typical playoff game and BOTH teams got away with a ton

2. You ignored what people responded about that game

3. You never mentioned a single other piece of evidence other than that ONE game in hundreds and hundreds of games to sample from

4. It’s only the fans of teams who the Bruins have made a mockery of in the post season who believe they’re great because of the refs

ONE GAME IS NOT EVIDENCE!!! Even if we agree the Bruins got an advantage in that one game, IT MEANS NOTHING!!! You can't prove what you claim is a decade+ long conspiracy by listing one game. No matter how much one discusses it, anecdote is not evidence.

Remember that time that Columbus scored a goal one game against the Bruins when the puck hit the netting but the refs didn’t blow the whistle?

This is concrete evidence that the NHL is biased towards the Columbus Blue Jackets and have been conspiring to make them a dynasty!!

 

[jgatie]

4. It’s only the fans of teams who the Bruins have made a mockery of in the post season who believe they’re great because of the refs

So true. I mean you can understand Canucks fans, the Bruins basically broke their souls. But Leafs fans? Do they really think the Bruins need the refs help to defeat a team that's won a single playoff round in the last 20 years?

 

[bb_fan]

figured this thread would end up here.

 

[jgatie]

figured this thread would end up here.

I've said it before; threads like these just mean there's a bunch of shrinks in the Vancouver and Toronto area making a bundle of money just for asking "Did you have the Brad Marchand nightmare again last night?' or "Can you show me on the doll where Zdeno Chara hurt you?"

 

[Strangle]

ONE GAME IS NOT EVIDENCE!!! Even if we agree the Bruins got an advantage in that one game, IT MEANS NOTHING!!! You can't prove what you claim is a decade+ long conspiracy by listing one game. No matter how much one discusses it, anecdote is not evidence.

 

[edog37]

No high draft picks in forever. Retirements to key players. High tax state. Just seems like they always have later picks stepping up and every signing/trade they make seems to work out.

What has Boston figured out that everyone else hasn’t?

They’ve won one Cup since the 70s. Sure they’re competitive, but let’s no over inflate this either.

 

[Strangle]

1. You brought up 2019. Multiple people have said that’s a typical playoff game and BOTH teams got away with a ton

2. You ignored what people responded about that game

3. You never mentioned a single other piece of evidence other than that ONE game in hundreds and hundreds of games to sample from

4. It’s only the fans of teams who the Bruins have made a mockery of in the post season who believe they’re great because of the refs


Remember that time that Columbus scored a goal one game against the Bruins when the puck hit the netting but the refs didn’t blow the whistle?

This is concrete evidence that the NHL is biased towards the Columbus Blue Jackets and have been conspiring to make them a dynasty!!

It’s always “more evidence, more evidence, more evidence”.

You won’t even engage with the evidence I brought lmao

We can go through each piece of evidence one by one, but we gotta start somewhere. Let’s start with game 2 2019

Why are you avoiding it?

 

[jgatie]

Again, listing acts by the most suspended player in the last 13 years does not prove bias in favor of the Bruins. Quite the opposite, in fact. Go take a course in logic, then get back to me.

 

[jgatie]

It’s always “more evidence, more evidence, more evidence”.

You won’t even engage with the evidence I brought lmao

We can go through each piece of evidence one by one, but we gotta start somewhere. Let’s start with game 2 2019

Why are you avoiding it?

He didn't avoid it. He explained his analysis of this game several times. It's you who are ignoring his points, not the other way around.

By the way, I thought you made your last post a while ago?

 

[conFABulator]

I skimmed the 17 pages but may well have missed this. Why do we consider Boston a gold standard in success?

They have won one Stanley Cup in the past 50 years and none in the past 12 years. I get it, they are a consistently good team and they have regular season and some playoff success, but isn't this sort of mantel reserved for dynasties? Lots of cups?

 

[jgatie]

I skimmed the 17 pages but may well have missed this. Why do we consider Boston a gold standard in success?

They have won one Stanley Cup in the past 50 years and none in the past 12 years. I get it, they are a consistently good team and they have regular season and some playoff success, but isn't this sort of mantel reserved for dynasties? Lots of cups?

I think the main point is even teams which win multiple Cups; Chicago, LA, and to a lesser extent, Pittsburgh, have had to rebuild or hit a low. The Bruins haven't really had to rebuild, and haven't had a top 10 pick of their own in 16 years. They also defy every prediction that "This is the year the bottom falls out." I don't think anyone is talking about dynastic type success.

 

[nbwingsfan]

It’s always “more evidence, more evidence, more evidence”.

You won’t even engage with the evidence I brought lmao

We can go through each piece of evidence one by one, but we gotta start somewhere. Let’s start with game 2 2019

Why are you avoiding it?

For , I don’t know, the 17th time:

BOTH teams got away with plays in that game, and I know as a Leafs fan you don’t get to see too many playoff games your team plays in, but that’s your standard hard playoff game.

You keep saying “more evidence has been provided”…. Where?

 

[nbwingsfan]

I skimmed the 17 pages but may well have missed this. Why do we consider Boston a gold standard in success?

They have won one Stanley Cup in the past 50 years and none in the past 12 years. I get it, they are a consistently good team and they have regular season and some playoff success, but isn't this sort of mantel reserved for dynasties? Lots of cups?

I think the whole premise is how do they keep staying competitive since 2008 when the highest pick (of their own) was like 15th overall or something like that and they’ve had their star franchise playiers retire