It’s pretty funny that all the sudden Leafs fans care about ev point production. Their bad arguments how the pp specialist Mr. Overrated Bill Nylander is better than Ehlers who crushed their golden boy in every single category seem pretty lame right now. ”Auston is great, cause EV points!”
Why is Auston Matthews considered a top 10 player?
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What exactly does that have to do with anything? The person is insinuating that TSN only hires people who boost Toronto, it's not really a discussion on the quality of their talent.
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TSN is better than CBC/Sportsnet, but when you spend a lot of time covering a team it seeps into your coverage and even if you manage to avoid it there is behind the scenes editorial bias that influences what gets on the air. There is a clear Leafs bias in their "national" coverage and if you don’t see it it’s almost certainly because of your own pre-existing bias.
Anyway wrt Matthews defensiove play:
He's a high event player that generates more than he gives up but calling him a defensive center is a little like calling Dustin Byfuglien a defensive defenseman. The Leafs are already a high event team and nearly everyone that takes the ice with Matthews gives up more shot attempts than they do without him.
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Very blunt, but yes, I recall too this argument last year. Seems contradictory to cite EV points now, when it was pointed out last year, and ignored, that Ehlers was awful on the PP but great at EV strength. I can't think of one superstar that has played in the NHL that has not been good on the PP. Usually they are good at both, EV and PP. This separates them from the PP specialists. That's the difference.
What is fascinating about the mainboards is you can actually tell how edmonton is doing by the amount of matthews threads they make. Once this one popped up I was like "oh they are losing again". Its amazing. Oilers lose.... next day "OMG MATTHEWS SUCKZ LOLZ".
You dont even need to look at the standings or results and it is pretty accurate. You can also tell the Sabres woes when one of 3 fans chimes in and pathetically tries to make it about eichel
You dont even need to look at the standings or results and it is pretty accurate. You can also tell the Sabres woes when one of 3 fans chimes in and pathetically tries to make it about eichel
Meh Not worth it anymore. Just a sad thread of people upset about their team.
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Give me a break guy.
All I hear from you when discussing my teams dude (without bringing him into this)
He hasn't had a 60 pt year, yet played 61 games and had 57 points.
MATTHEWS misses 10 games and all of the sudden that's all your excuse is in every post.
Ridiculous.
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Hey, come on now, he's the most generational 69 pt player ever.
And no matter if he finishes with 65-70 pts this year all we'll hear about is "WHAT COULD OF BEEN" had he not missed ten games.
Matthews is a weird player. He can be so dominant and then in other games look like he makes smart plays but it's probably hard to live up to the same dominance he shows in other games.
He comes up big though, in big games that counts for a lot.
He's also a highlight reel player, shows tons of dominance.
Thing is there's so many highlight reel players who show dominance in this league that don't get talked about very much at all.
What a dumbass post. I can promise you no one is upset about having Matthews on this team.
The real question is....
Will Matthews for the first time out-produce Leon Draisaitl or Jack Eichel in a season?
A legit question.
Last year LD was 10 and JE was 11 in PPG.
If Matthews overall Production (PPG) is worse then both these guys for his 2nd year also, what's that going to say?
And keep in mind nobody mentions Draisaitl or Eichel in top 10 conversations.
And if a Draisaitl/Eichel Hater wants to say "rightfully so" to that, keep in mind your player has yet to out-do them.
Will Matthews for the first time out-produce Leon Draisaitl or Jack Eichel in a season?
A legit question.
Last year LD was 10 and JE was 11 in PPG.
If Matthews overall Production (PPG) is worse then both these guys for his 2nd year also, what's that going to say?
And keep in mind nobody mentions Draisaitl or Eichel in top 10 conversations.
And if a Draisaitl/Eichel Hater wants to say "rightfully so" to that, keep in mind your player has yet to out-do them.
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Because they were two goals away from the WCF, taking out the year before's western champion in the first round, and almost taking out an unreal Ducks team, destroying them in Game 6 and losing by one goal on the road in Game 7.
And had the best player, and another one of the best young players in LD.
They had kids coming up (JP, KY) and Talbot established himself.
I never thought they were a cup contender and picked the Ducks to win division from the start but there were signs they were going to be a great team this year.
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Tell that to Barkov and plenty of real NHL analysts who know the game...
He’s a great player, no doubt. Overrated, obviously because he plays in Toronto. Definitely has potential to become a top 25 player in league if he’s healthy.
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there was threads about this last year when the Oilers were doing better...your gonna have to do better in an argument than saying its because he's a ___ fan. No its because you can't properly defend your side of the argument as this is a discussion board.
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Ok, so which form of the out producing game are you playing with Eichel today? Can't be points because he has already done that, can't be points per game because he is currently doing that. Take your pick. I think Auston is fine either way.
Or is it out producing him on Fridays when they both eat spaghetti? Maybe over the last 1o3 games?
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There's simply a lot of good players that don't reside in Toronto.
Crosby, Malkin, Ovechkin, Backstrom, Stamkos, Hedman, Bergeron, Marchand, Tavares, Karlsson, Gaudreau, Scheiffle, Tarasenko, Hall, Wheeler, Benn, Seguin, Pietrangelo, Subban, Getzlaf, Kopitar, Doughty, Burns, Kane, Keith, Josi, Suter, Giroux, Voracek, Ekman-Larsson, etc..
Then you get into young players like McDavid, Eichel, Pastrnak, Draisatl, Kucherov, Barzal Boeser, McAvoy, etc.
There's just lot of talent spread throughout the league.
Crosby, Malkin, Ovechkin, Backstrom, Stamkos, Hedman, Bergeron, Marchand, Tavares, Karlsson, Gaudreau, Scheiffle, Tarasenko, Hall, Wheeler, Benn, Seguin, Pietrangelo, Subban, Getzlaf, Kopitar, Doughty, Burns, Kane, Keith, Josi, Suter, Giroux, Voracek, Ekman-Larsson, etc..
Then you get into young players like McDavid, Eichel, Pastrnak, Draisatl, Kucherov, Barzal Boeser, McAvoy, etc.
There's just lot of talent spread throughout the league.
I think Matthews is probably in a small group of players you could put just inside the top 10 or just outside.
Regardless of where you rate him, I think far too many people are pointing to offense as the only means of rating a player.
Regardless of where you rate him, I think far too many people are pointing to offense as the only means of rating a player.
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