Why Did The Kings Trade Cammalleri

[Willard]

I guess Vancouver offered it's 10th overall for Cammy...but they wanted a prospect back? Should the Kings have done that and then landed more by trading down the 13th? I don't know.

The rough part about the deal the additional pick. Cammy for a 1st is understandable...but a 1st and a 2nd? Adam Foote, a 36 UFA landed a 1st at this years deadline.

Yeah but out of the deal, the Kings get a 2nd in the 09 draft right back. Basically swapping 2nds, I don't see a big deal about that if it helps make the trade happen.

 

[no name]

Yeah but out of the deal, the Kings get a 2nd in the 09 draft right back. Basically swapping 2nds, I don't see a big deal about that if it helps make the trade happen.

I am just sure MC could have netted more value next year at the deadline if the Kings were bent on trading him.

 

[RonSwanson*]

I don't think Lombardi settled for anything. He picked exactly who he targeted.

Are you saying that before the draft began, DL knew Teubert would be available at #12?

 

[Willard]

I am just sure MC could have netted more value next year at the deadline if the Kings were bent on trading him.

I'm not so sure. By that time (trade deadline of '09), it would have been known that the Kings had been trying to trade him for the better part of the year, and that the Kings would be about to lose him for nothing.

Rumors had already been swirling about Cammalleri now as it was. The longer such a situation goes without a successful trade, the worse it is for the team trying to trade the player.

 

[Sam]

I guess Vancouver offered it's 10th overall for Cammy...but they wanted a prospect back?

Apparently the prospect was Moller. I'd also have preferred giving up the 28th and Cammalleri for the 12th than Moller and Cammalleri for the 10th.

http://www.canada.com/globaltv/bc/story.html?id=45c0e59c-23aa-4b75-91a8-d678de590906

After the Los Angeles Kings traded centre Mike Cammalleri to the Calgary Flames for a first round pick Friday night, Gillis said he thought his offer for the player was better. Apparently, the Canucks offered their pick — 10th, seven spots before Calgary’s — but also wanted Kings’ offensive prospect Oscar Moller.

 

[Butch 19]

It's easy to replace a guy like Cammy ...

If it's that easy, how come over 2 offseasons DL hasn't signed ANY UFA scorers that have produced here yet?

I see the point that he may not re-sign here, but don't make it sound like his scoring will be easily replaced. And any blame for DL not being able to sign him? No?...

Yes, I see Cammy having a bounce back scoring year (if he stayed here or was traded)

 

[Muzzfan]

Salary Cap Issues...

The other thing that no one is saying (maybe indirectly) is that we have to re-sign Anze Kopitar, Jack Johnson, Brian Boyle, Teddy Purcell at the same time from the young core next summer. There wasn't going to be enough cash to sign all of those guys, Cammy, and possibly Jason LaBarbara, Brady Murray, Scott Parse, and Lauri Tukonen if they are indeed signed.

Cammalleri is a great player, but I'm happier rounding out our future defense and clearing way for some of the younger guys to play in the NHL a year earlier. I'm sorry to see him go, but I know I would only have watched him for 4 1/2 more months anyways until the trade deadline.

 

[Gorings Helmet]

Cammy was a one dimensional malcontent who was gonna bolt after next year because he was mad he didn't get $5M in arbitration. Essentially Cammy for Tuebert? Most excellent!!!

 

[Anjae11Eden]

I am just sure MC could have netted more value next year at the deadline if the Kings were bent on trading him.

I am so sick of reading this. You explain how you can be sooo sure he would have netted more in a deadline trade.
Point A: Teams that are in the play-off hunt at the deadline trade for ROSTER players. Teams that are not usually trade for picks. A play-off team is going to have a lower draft pick to offer. The play-off team is also not likely to give up roster players.

Point B: What if he had an even more injury riddled year and produced even less point-wise. Would that net us more at the deadline?

Please explain how you can be SURE he would have netted more.

 

[Legionnaire]

Pretty simple. Lombardi wants to build "his" team. Cammalleri didn't fit into that vision. PS. Don't be surprised to see Fro gone this year too.

 

[Legionnaire]

I am so sick of reading this. You explain how you can be sooo sure he would have netted more in a deadline trade.
Point A: Teams that are in the play-off hunt at the deadline trade for ROSTER players. Teams that are not usually trade for picks. A play-off team is going to have a lower draft pick to offer. The play-off team is also not likely to give up roster players.

Point B: What if he had an even more injury riddled year and produced even less point-wise. Would that net us more at the deadline?

Please explain how you can be SURE he would have netted more.

There are no sureities. What if Teubert never plays a game with the Kings?

With that being said: I'm pretty freakin' sure as well. He going to be a valuable player in Calgary (and might actually learn some defense too ) and we will regret this trade for the short term (at the least).

Basically, no matter how bad or good you may think the trade is, it still boils down to Teubert for Berg. That's all good for me.

 

[Anjae11Eden]

With that being said: I'm pretty freakin' sure as well. He going to be a valuable player in Calgary (and might actually learn some defense too ) and we will regret this trade for the short term (at the least).

Why? What will we miss from Cammalleri? Were we going to contend for the cup this year?
All we lose out on is 1 season of watching his one dimensional play...that's it.
He is a guy we drafted, and we fans watched him grow from a pick to a top 6 regular. I get the attachment most fans have. But see the guy for what he is and was going to be. He was a one-way player, and if he wasn't scoring goals he wasn't bringing ANYTHING else to the table. He wasn't killing penalties or hitting, or agitating or anything. And what was he going to be? Gone, after this season.
DL turned that into an asset that at bare minimum will be an asset for MANY years to come. As a 1st round pick with a high ceiling, CT has value to our team or another. As a best case scenario CT could turn into the player he is projected to and punish people from the blue-line and shut down opposing teams best players come play-off time.
2 years from now, would you rather have CT (at his minimum or best case scenario) or 1 more year of memories of MC shooting the puck from one knee in a meaningless season of growth? The choice is really easy for me. I'm thankful for DL.

 

[Willard]

Pretty simple. Lombardi wants to build "his" team. Cammalleri didn't fit into that vision. PS. Don't be surprised to see Fro gone this year too.

I would be surprised indeed if Frolov was gone, after reading these comments by Lombardi made after the draft, on Hammond's blog.

"I think still, though, we want to look at free agency. Obviously we built up a little space. We do have a budget that we have to abide by, particularly at this stage. Whatever we spend, the most important thing is to lock up our young players. We have to look at what's most important, and that's making sure kids like Kopitar, Brown, Johnson, Frolov and these guys stay here. So that will be the focus."

 

[Supermassive]

Cammy was a one dimensional malcontent who was gonna bolt after next year because he was mad he didn't get $5M in arbitration. Essentially Cammy for Tuebert? Most excellent!!!

I agree. I watched a lot of Cammy after fantasy drafting him. Losing one year of a bitter, easily-frustrated unbalanced player is not going to hurt your team past this year. If management can stay away from bad FA signings (much like the Oil), the future looks bright.

 

[johnjm22]

Pretty simple. Lombardi wants to build "his" team. Cammalleri didn't fit into that vision. PS. Don't be surprised to see Fro gone this year too.

I highly doubt that. By all indications DL sees Frolov as part of the core.

I just wonder how we're going to retain Frolov if the team isn't competitive by the time his contract is up. NO ONE wants to play for a loser.

 

[Legionnaire]

Why? What will we miss from Cammalleri? Were we going to contend for the cup this year?
All we lose out on is 1 season of watching his one dimensional play...that's it.
He is a guy we drafted, and we fans watched him grow from a pick to a top 6 regular. I get the attachment most fans have. But see the guy for what he is and was going to be. He was a one-way player, and if he wasn't scoring goals he wasn't bringing ANYTHING else to the table. He wasn't killing penalties or hitting, or agitating or anything. And what was he going to be? Gone, after this season.
DL turned that into an asset that at bare minimum will be an asset for MANY years to come. As a 1st round pick with a high ceiling, CT has value to our team or another. As a best case scenario CT could turn into the player he is projected to and punish people from the blue-line and shut down opposing teams best players come play-off time.
2 years from now, would you rather have CT (at his minimum or best case scenario) or 1 more year of memories of MC shooting the puck from one knee in a meaningless season of growth? The choice is really easy for me. I'm thankful for DL.

I'll take that bet...

Yeah, everyone is totally clutch until they hit the playoffs. I agree.

 

[Legionnaire]

Okay dudes and or dudettes. How much do you want to bet that Fro won't be on the team in (less than two years).

 

[Captain Ron]

Apparently the prospect was Moller. I'd also have preferred giving up the 28th and Cammalleri for the 12th than Moller and Cammalleri for the 10th.

http://www.canada.com/globaltv/bc/story.html?id=45c0e59c-23aa-4b75-91a8-d678de590906

It is not as simple as that. Viktor Tikhonov was selected with the #28 pick and Mitch Wahl was selected with the #48 pick.

So if Lombardi made the Vancouver trade the Kings would be without Cammi and Moller.....but they would have the #10 pick (Beach or Hodgson), #28 pick (Tikhonov or McCollum), and the #48 pick (Wahl or Staal). Is Teubert a better pick than Beach or Hodson? Is Moller better than Tikhononv and Wahl?

 

[Captain Ron]

Okay dudes and or dudettes. How much do you want to bet that Fro won't be on the team in (less than two years).

I have a feeling that all of the players that have yet to be in the playoffs because they have played with the Kings for the past 3 or more seasons will begin to look for greener pastures. Frolov will be the second of this group (Cammi being the first) and it will continue through O'Sullivan, Kopitar and the rest unless this team can start making the playoffs a priority instead of the draft lottery.

 

[Sam]

It is not as simple as that. Viktor Tikhonov was selected with the #28 pick and Mitch Wahl was selected with the #48 pick.

So if Lombardi made the Vancouver trade the Kings would be without Cammi and Moller.....but they would have the #10 pick (Beach or Hodgson), #28 pick (Tikhonov or McCollum), and the #48 pick (Wahl or Staal). Is Teubert a better pick than Beach or Hodson? Is Moller better than Tikhononv and Wahl?

The Kings also got a second in 2009. I almost view that (the swap of seconds) as a separate trade, with the way Lombardi was trading 2008 picks for 2009 picks.

 

[Captain Ron]

The Kings also got a second in 2009. I almost view that (the swap of seconds) as a separate trade, with the way Lombardi was trading 2008 picks for 2009 picks.

You are correct....but there is a very good chance that the 2009 Calgary pick will be in the 50-60 range. Will Lombardi be able to get a good player in that range? Maybe. Will he be better than Wahl? Time will tell. But one thing that Wahl will have on any player drafted in the 2nd round next year.....one more year of development.

I believe that the Kings window of opportunity with this core (Frolov, Kopitar, Johnson, Bernier, etc.) is getting smaller. If the Kings are not a major threat to contend for the Cup in about 3 or 4 years they will start losing some vital parts of the core. Will a guy drafted in the 2nd round of the 2009 draft even be playing in the NHL by then?

 

[Johnny Utah]

Are we the Clippers of the NBA or the Expos of the MLB, where we develop younger guys till they get good and deal them b/c "we can't afford them." We don't want to be....Or even worse like the Dodgers, where guys come through the system, ask for money in there prime, and then get traded and the team ends up throwing the same amount of money at other guys (ie. Kevin Brown and Mike Piazza or Rob Blake and Jason Allison).

Cammy was only 26. He was developed from within. We are rebuilding. What kind of message does this send Frolov, Kopitar, and Co. when they turn 25-26. That's the only thing that bothers me.

Are we the Clippers of the NBA or the Expos of the MLB, where we develop younger guys till they get good and deal them. We don't want to be....

Handzus got 4 million. Cammy can't get 5-6. I don't get it.

 

[EagleBlack87]

OK, but keep in mind that pick was supposedly the center piece, or big acquisition piece in the Norstrom trade to Dallas. SO, I sure hope Teubert truly turns into a STUD shut down NHL D-man, because in a sense we traded Cammalleri AND Norstrom to get Teubert ... yeah there's some other pieces to the puzzle that were part of these trades, but that's what it really boils down to, and I have to ask myself was Colten Teubert ‎worth Cammalleri AND Norstrom ??? I sure hope so

Actually it was more like:

Kings Give:
2 Years of Mattias Norstrom
1 Year of Michael Cammalleri

Kings Receive:
10 Years of Colten Teubert


Call me crazy but I'd take the latter.

 

[EagleBlack87]

Apparently the prospect was Moller. I'd also have preferred giving up the 28th and Cammalleri for the 12th than Moller and Cammalleri for the 10th.

http://www.canada.com/globaltv/bc/story.html?id=45c0e59c-23aa-4b75-91a8-d678de590906

This means in DL's eyes, Moller > 28th pic.

Pretty nice seeing how Moller was picked in the 2nd round, 52nd overall.

 

[johnjm22]

Are we the Clippers of the NBA or the Expos of the MLB, where we develop younger guys till they get good and deal them b/c "we can't afford them." We don't want to be....Or even worse like the Dodgers, where guys come through the system, ask for money in there prime, and then get traded and the team ends up throwing the same amount of money at other guys (ie. Kevin Brown and Mike Piazza or Rob Blake and Jason Allison).

It's not that we can't afford them, it's the fact that if we don't start winning, they won't want to play here. The Kings need to progress significantly this year, and make the playoffs in 09-10 in order to retain some of the young guns, particularly Frolov, considering 09-10 is the last year he is under contract.

Dean Lombardi knows this, hence the reason Crawford was fired.

If you don't think Dean Lombardi recognizes this problem, then consider the fact that he signed all the those FA's last year in hopes that the Kings would be around .500 and have a small chance at a playoff spot.

Lombardi did not plan on getting a top 5 pick this year.

To all those that want to tank next season, just keep in mind that losing builds losers.