why are posters on the main boards so down on us

[bert]

Is anyone on the main boards arguing that the Sens suck because their fans can't agree on how good Doughty is? If not, the thread is taking a big detour at the moment.

My bad.

However I think it might be pin pointing one of the reasons for the OP's thread starting post.

 

[SilverSeven]

Probably for the same reasons everyone on this board are down on the Sens.

I think its overblown. This team was in the playoffs 2 years ago. The second round to boot. I think missing Spezza WILL hurt us...especially our PP. But I also am excited to see a team that will feature 3 centres who play at both ends and can post 40+ points each.

 

[Xspyrit]

Xspyrit to the rescue!

I agree that this team is better than 12-13 and 13-14. What else other than progress do we want?

Xspyrit always brings a sorely needed dose of objectivity and reality to these boards.

Thanks. For once, I can say that I have a lot of time on my hands lol. I'm in Mexico and I ****ing miss hockey. Not sure what I'm going to do, particularly if I can't play anymore (back problems = no more goaltending). Oh well, I could always pay to watch games

That being said, the future is now. We have a ton of young players in the line-up and many more waiting for an opportunity. The best of the best will stay, it's now a matter of how much of their potential they will reach. Of course, it could blow up in our faces but I'm really confident in our youth players development, seeing what is going on with Karlsson, Borowiecki, Smith, Lehner, Silfverberg, Zibanejad, Ceci, Lazar, Stone etc

And it looks like we are able to find some good veterans to have around that youth, and not for crazy UFA prices you see out there (Methot, MacArthur, Anderson, Legwand...)

An argument is the lack of top-end talent. Karlsson, Lehner, Ceci, Zibanejad, Turris, Ryan (and ?) is some really nice talent IMO. We have some guys who were picked very high, but you don't absolutely need to draft top-3 to develop elite talent (see Karlsson and Lehner.

I think if we are even close to being as good as 12-13 I'm ecstatic.

When comparing the rosters, I find myself liking more the potential of the current group. And yes without my grandpa Alfie and broken back like me Spezza. Not saying it will pay dividends right away but we're getting closer, despite a stepback last year.

Nothing is certain with this team, one way or the other. It's one of the most unknown line-ups we ever had.

Duck fan just visiting.

Ignore Philly fans. For whatever reason they have some entitlement issues when it comes to them. Ryan, himself, told me he made a mistake and did an interview when he was drinking. He says he likes the Philly area, but doesn't have a desire to play hockey there.

Regardless though, you'll hear it non stop from them until Ryan re-signs or is moved. I find it asinine that people think he would demand a trade though. If he doesn't like it in Ottawa (which he's never told me by the way), he'll just cash in next July. No reason for him to demand a trade at all.

Ya, I don't understand why so many people are clueless. UFAs don't ask for trades in the last year of their contract.

So, you really talked with him? When was the last time? Just to know

I think Tampa struggles as Bishop approaches his normal average of play and the team has issues finding it's identity after losing their heart and soul captain.

Sound familiar?

haha, also that Tampa got better in the off-season argument... I don't get it. I mean, any idiot can spend

Elite players on the Senators? Erik Karlsson and...Ryan is a stretch. Turrs is a 2C. Mac is a 2W/3W on an elite team. It's just...average. And the team rewards average.

If that's all the Sens have, I'm expecting them to be by far the worst team in the NHL. I have seen posters like you come up with that kind of stuff for years. I'm still waiting for worse results than 22th, 26th and 20th...

They don't rely on Bishop like the Sens did on Anderson/Lehner/Bishop they score goals lots of them. Vasilevski is also coming and will more thank likely replace Bishop so they will be upgrading in nets too.

Didn't really want to comment on this but can't help it when I see wrong facts. It's not that the Bolts don't score, but just that your argument doesn't work.

2013-14 : Tampa Bay 232 vs Ottawa 229
2012-13 : Tampa Bay 147 vs Ottawa 112 (sens missed Spezza, Karlsson and Michalek most of the season)
2011-12 : Tampa Bay 232 vs Ottawa 243

 

[Xspyrit]

Well coaching was a disaster last year that much is true

How much of it is the coaching staff's fault and how much of it is on the players is harder to gauge

Considering Maclean's track record prior to last year I'm inclined to side with him when he said, at some point last year, "is the problem that we don't have the right players?"

Obviously the coaching staff should shoulder plenty of blame for playing the GSN line so god damn much but there's a lot that goes into the decision of who gets to play, a lot of it we are not privy to

Let me have a theory right here, and it's big lol.

GSN play the right way but they are the less skilled forwards on the team. Outside of the MacTurryan line, the coach doesn't like how the other lines play the game. Message to management : Get me some new players, we need some changes. Boom, Spezza traded

I know it's not my style to post like that, so it could be lacking but hey I gave it a try

That is exactly it. People who really think we are the worst team on paper is delusional.

Maybe it is because 95% of people basically only know their team?

They see our line-up as :

MacCrap-Turris-Ryan
Michalecrap-Legofcrap-Crapsson
Hoffcrap-Zibanecrap-Crapstone
Crap-Crap-NEIL

Methot-Crapsson
Phillips-Crap
Crap-Crap

Anderson
Crap

I dunno man.

(Mod)

Two seasons ago, it was arguable that we had one of the best goaltending pairs in hockey, had one of the best prospect pools and the best coach. But hey, let's take your assessment as gospel.

1 down year and you go from 1-3 to 20-25

That seems fair, I don't see why you react like that

 

[Dionysus]

Pesky sens will rise again this year! I heartily endorse the underdog tag, and I think the team will as well, competing hard all year and surprising a lot of people.

 

[Dysentery]

They don't realize that the players on the Sens are actually a tight group of friends who get along quite well.

Since Capt. Spezza and Capt. Alfie left in peculiar ways they believe that there must be turmoil everywhere, when there is not.

Some Sens fans are sick of disappointment, but they've become addicted to the pain it gives them. They then harp and exaggerate on the negatives as a defence mechanism, which sends out vibes of negativity everywhere, putting us in the bottom of the league in the eyes and ears of the other fans of the NHL.

 

[L'Aveuglette]

Having no real 1st line is why people think we'll be crap, and I ain't so sure I disagree. We won't be scoring much that's for sure.

 

[FolignoQuantumLeap]

Having no real 1st line is why people think we'll be crap, and I ain't so sure I disagree. We won't be scoring much that's for sure.

Very true. There will be a ton of pressure on our second line and even 3rd line to produce. That's probably the make or break area for us this coming season. However, the Turris line was one of the more productive units to open the season in 2013, so if they could keep that going for 82 games we'd be alright.

We're gonna need to be like an 07 Buffalo Sabres team with scoring and speed on every line.

 

[Super Cake]

Don't worry about our offense guys because Karlsson will score all the goals.

 

[ReginKarlssonLehner]

Having no real 1st line is why people think we'll be crap, and I ain't so sure I disagree. We won't be scoring much that's for sure.

We actually had a top 5 1st line in the league for first half of season and above average overall.

We just didn't have a great 2nd line to help out.

 

[Major Might]

Why do you care so much? Get over yourself

 

[BonkTastic]

Why do you care so much? Get over yourself

Why do YOU care so much that he cares so much?

Quality argument.

 

[LatteLarrys]

Why do YOU care so much that he cares so much?

Quality argument.

But why do YOU care so much that HE cares so much that the op cares so much? Check mate. But... why do I care so much? Hmmm. It's simple, the next one to read this response but NOT reply is truly victorious. But how will we ever know...

 

[Super Cake]

But why do YOU care so much that HE cares so much that the op cares so much? Check mate. But... why do I care so much? Hmmm. It's simple, the next one to read this response but NOT reply is truly victorious. But how will we ever know...

The actual question though is why do you care so much that he cares so much about the person caring so much about what the op cares so much about. I personally don't care about it. So why should you?

 

[BonkTastic]

But why do YOU care so much that HE cares so much that the op cares so much? Check mate.

I have been cleanly defeated by a superior warrior.

I bow to thee, sir. Well played.

 

[StefanW]

It is clearly much better to be like this guy.

(BTW, it took me forever to find an image of an "I don't care" bear that is not giving the finger)

 

[Do Make Say Think]

It's the Gerbear stare!

Gerbear as in Gerber, yeah I'm clever

 

[The Waffler]

The night posters here are special.

 

[BonkTastic]

The night posters here are special.

That's not the way my doctors described it to me, but I'll take it.

 

[DrakeAndJosh]

You can tell how much they actually know about our team by the MacArthur thread. Anyone who thinks we overpaid clearly didn't watch any sens games last year.

 

[Upgrayedd]

You can tell how much they actually know about our team by the MacArthur thread. Anyone who thinks we overpaid clearly didn't watch any sens games last year.

The default argument of it is too much or too long makes it very clear that these people have not followed the business of the sport over the last 5 years or are simply trolling.

 

[The Fuhr*]

- Defense gave up 261G last year and nothing was addressed on the blue line

- last time Turrus was asked to carry the offense without Spezza he was only a 50 point player

- Alfredsson and Spezza left back to back years because they did not believe this team could contend for a cup

Teams closet toa lottery pick then a playoff spot

 

[Do Make Say Think]

Considering how young the blue line is I think giving them a good chunk of games to start the season is better than a knee-jerk trade in the off-season

The make up of the blue line made it difficult to simply go get a UFA dman so waiting and seeing was the right approach

 

[Baby Ryan]

- Defense gave up 261G last year and nothing was addressed on the blue line

- last time Turrus was asked to carry the offense without Spezza he was only a 50 point player

- Alfredsson and Spezza left back to back years because they did not believe this team could contend for a cup

Teams closet to a lottery pick then a playoff spot

Edit: Wait, Fuhr are you typing it from a perspective of an outsider? My bad. But If you're not I stand by my statement of:


Alfredsson being 40 at time was also a big factor, it wasn't just only a case of him believing the team wasn't going to contend and he didn't want to support it. It was more of a now thing considering his age.

Point is, it's different from Spezza.

Regardless, people outside of our fanbase can't just solely pin the 261G on the defense unit because it's team defense.

 

[DrakeAndJosh]

Last time Turris was asked to carry the offence without spezza we went to the second round of the playoffs.