Who would you like as the next GM?

[SprDaVE]

If Shanny can get one of Nill/Armstrong/McPhee then I’m actually excited for what’s to come. I love the way they built their cup contenders.

Shanny’s the guy that brought in Lou and Dubas. I have fate that he wouldn’t just hire the easy option in Treliving.

I will say that if Shanahan hires Treliving, he's probably had a lot of conversations and a good grasp as to what Treliving plans doing and what his vision is for the Leafs. Maybe he's just the right guy for the job in his eyes? Why is he attributed as the easy hire? Did Calgary go with the easy hire?

I don't think it's fair to put Shanahan on a pedestal and say he should hire people that are contracted on others teams. No reason to believe he can just talk to Nill or Armstrong or McPhee to hire them. Sometimes you get lucky, sometimes you have to go with the available choices.

 

[Stephen]

I will say that if Shanahan hires Treliving, he's probably had a lot of conversations and a good grasp as to what Treliving plans doing and what his vision is for the Leafs. Maybe he's just the right guy for the job in his eyes? Why is he attributed as the easy hire? Did Calgary go with the easy hire?

I don't think it's fair to put Shanahan on a pedestal and say he should hire people that are contracted on others teams. No reason to believe he can just talk to Nill or Armstrong or McPhee to hire them. Sometimes you get lucky, sometimes you have to go with the available choices.

Maybe with Treliving Shanahan will just have a steadier front office partner.

Think of it like Morgan Rielly being paired with a Luke Schenn and having success. Vs Morgan Rielly and Rasmus Sandin and the mix wasn’t right.

 

[Zero1]

I will say that if Shanahan hires Treliving, he's probably had a lot of conversations and a good grasp as to what Treliving plans doing and what his vision is for the Leafs. Maybe he's just the right guy for the job in his eyes? Why is he attributed as the easy hire? Did Calgary go with the easy hire?

I don't think it's fair to put Shanahan on a pedestal and say he should hire people that are contracted on others teams. No reason to believe he can just talk to Nill or Armstrong or McPhee to hire them. Sometimes you get lucky, sometimes you have to go with the available choices.

I can be completely wrong but with Treliving I just feel like the Leafs would just remain the status quo. Nothing exciting just a an ordinary GM.

Those other guys have a solid resume and aren’t afraid to make changes. Especially, a guy like McPhee. These guys won’t come here to be a yes man to Shanny is what I mean.

 

[SprDaVE]

I can be completely wrong but with Treliving I just feel like the Leafs would just remain the status quo. Nothing exciting just a an ordinary GM.

Those other guys have a solid resume and aren’t afraid to make changes. Especially, a guy like McPhee. These guys won’t come here to be a yes man to Shanny is what I mean.

Maybe. Sometimes someone that wants to make huge changes can be very wrong, aka Brian Burke. Ron Hextall and Chuck Fletcher were awful as well.

Treliving made a lot of changes to that roster when he took over. I find it really bizarre he's just an ordinary GM when some of his big trades were pretty big. And not only the Tkachuk trade either. I won't type the list again, but he can wheel and deal.

Maybe I value Shanahan more than most at what he does... so we'll see. I could be wrong and I'll be the first to admit it.

 

[Stephen]

I can be completely wrong but with Treliving I just feel like the Leafs would just remain the status quo. Nothing exciting just a an ordinary GM.

Those other guys have a solid resume and aren’t afraid to make changes. Especially, a guy like McPhee. These guys won’t come here to be a yes man to Shanny is what I mean.

Well. If we are going to continually run it back with the Big 4 and assume that they get locked up for a few more years for status quo contending…

Dubas’ verbiage was always on “betting on X.” Maybe we just need a steady builder to put the finishing touches on and not rescue guys like Alex Galchenyuk and Matt Murray from the trash compactor.

 

[Zero1]

Well. If we are going to continually run it back with the Big 4 and assume that they get locked up for a few more years for status quo contending…

Dubas’ verbiage was always on “betting on X.” Maybe we just need a steady builder to put the finishing touches on and not rescue guys like Alex Galchenyuk and Matt Murray from the trash compactor.

I just don’t believe this combination of guys can get it done. Individually, they are good players and I can guarantee that they’ll find success on their next team but together at their cap hits it doesn’t work.

This is a critical point for the Leafs because of the NMC that kicks in for Marner and Matthews. Leafs don’t have the luxury to pivot later down the road. Both these guys can ride out their contracts here in Toronto once those NMC kicks in and the Leafs can’t do anything about it.

They’ll have all the leverage as UFAs. Either the Leafs pay them even more or they walk. The time is now and the Leafs need to bring in a heavy hitter to handle this situation.

 

[Mess]

That’s assuming he wants it now. He might just watch to see if implodes and then take it from scratch. Being able to start an organization from day one, your way is enticing. Trying to keep something afloat that isn’t working someone else’s way, is not.

I tend to agree with this due to the current situation, because of the the big money overpaid underproducing player contracts already on the books with pending NMC clauses and tough to remove, the new GM walks into a pretty dicey situation full of landmines..

Too much cap in too few players is a recipe for disaster to inherit on day #1, where the solution is to deal one of the fan favourite $11 mil players.

New GM is not going to be welcomed to Toronto if one of his 1st moves is to send Marner packing in a blockbuster deal to Philly or Winnipeg regardless of the return even if it makes the team better. Deal Matthews even worse recourse even if the GM knew Matthews was not prepared to re-sign or his demands too high and could walk as a UFA one year later.

So Doug Armstrong in 3 years time after this all potentially implodes and all these current contracts might be off the books might be better timing to come in and restore and stabilize the franchise.

 

[Mess]

Maybe with Treliving Shanahan will just have a steadier front office partner.

Think of it like Morgan Rielly being paired with a Luke Schenn and having success. Vs Morgan Rielly and Rasmus Sandin and the mix wasn’t right.

You might be right simply based on age and maturity and like-thinkingness.

Treliving is 53 years old and Shanahan is 54 .. This would be a dynamic more as siblings and brothers in arms duo growing up in the same Era, and a level playing surface of hockey knowledge to share common ideas and reference points on past successful team building concepts.

The Shanahan & Dubas (37 old) is more of a Father and Son type scenario, where we hear Shanny had to be hands on, and almost like adult supervision in guiding and educating Dubas and attempting to prevent mistakes as he learned on the job, much like a father would be educating and raising while advising their son.

 

[Tak7]

67 people voting for Marc Bergevin..

Sometimes I worry about this fanbase.

 

[Trapper]

You might be right simply based on age and maturity and like-thinkingness.

Treliving is 53 years old and Shanahan is 54 .. This would be a dynamic more as siblings and brothers in arms duo growing up in the same Era.

The Shanahan & Dubas (37 old) is more of a Father and Son type scenario, where we hear Shanny had to be hands on, and almost like adult supervision in guiding and educating Dubas and prevent mistakes as he learned on the job, much like a father would be educating their son.

The Father (Shanahan), the Son (Treliving) and the Holy Capologist (Pridham).
Amen

67 people voting for Marc Bergevin..

Sometimes I worry about this fanbase.

 

[hockeywiz542]

Dreger shares latest around the Leafs' GM search, other candidates outside of Treliving and more - TSN.ca

TSN hockey insider Darren Dreger joins us to chat about the latest around the Maple Leafs' GM search, if there are other candidates outside of Brad Treliving, how much longer it will take, the drama around Dubas and Matthews being represented with the same agency, the future of Keefe and more.

 

[Peace Frog]

Jim Nill

 

[The Masters]

Shanny waiting on Nill. Watch.

 

[Amadeus]

Toronto has spoken to Doug Wilson as per Friedman on HNIC right now.

 

[CaptainCrunch17]

Elliot Friedman just said that he heard a rumour that the Leafs have spoken to Doug Wilson.

 

[Brobust]

It would be nice if they made Hayley/Pridham the PoHO and made Tulsky the GM.

Maintain the sturcture that Dubas built but replace the brain with a significantly smarter one.

 

[TorMapleJays]

Not sure I want him given the lack of success the SJ franchise has had. They were a good team, but Thorton and Marleau never won anything together and they play a soft game.

 

[Brobust]

Not sure I want him given the lack of success the SJ franchise has had. They were a good team, but Thorton and Marleau never won anything together and they play a soft game.

They had Torres and Clowe and I'm sure others that I'm forgetting.

Marleau and Thornton are soft though. I'll give you that.

 

[The Masters]

 

[The Masters]

Whats everyones opinion on doug wilson?

 

[Brown Dog]

You see why you prefer those guys? They have a track record of zero as a head GM. We have nothing to dissect. We attribute every good thing to them as part of their current roles but fault the GM for the bad. This isn't to say they aren't great GMs in the making but this is just wishful thinking they'll be better than someone like Armstrong or McPhee. It could go very badly or more of the same.

I liked Dubas for the most part but he has plenty of blemishes with his time in Toronto. Just as much if not more than people with much more experience.

It's the backup quarterback effect. You don't know what he's capable of, so you daydream that it's gotta be better than what the main guy is actually doing.

Remember that all the unappealing retreads (Treliving, Bergeron, Hextall, Botterill, Chiarelli...) were once up-and-coming AGMs themselves. What they have going for them is that they've also done the main job in the league.

 

[ShaneFalco]

Ted Lasso

 

[Stephen]

Doug Wilson built some prototypical Pacific Division powerhouses over the years, played big, fast, skilled hockey but had Thornton and Marleau at the heart of the program, and we saw up close and personal what those guys are all about.

The guy who built two Pacific Division powerhouses was Dean Lombardi though. He first built the Sharks in the late 90s, then went to LA and turned them into a cup winning beast.

Both these guys are 65 though, so I'm not sure if we would be expecting them to have a late career renaissance and build the Leafs into a cup winner.

 

[Mr Knies Guy]

That’s assuming he wants it now. He might just watch to see if implodes and then take it from scratch. Being able to start an organization from day one, your way is enticing. Trying to keep something afloat that isn’t working someone else’s way, is not.

Kyper said last week he knows Armstrong’s dream job has always been Toronto. He’s not saying it’s likely or suggesting he’d leave, but somehow he seems to be very sure

 

[hockeywiz542]

Friedman: Penguins Waiting For Kyle Dubas To Make A Decision

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May 27, 2023 32 Thoughts

Elliotte Friedman joins Ron MacLean to give the latest front office intel around the NHL, including the Pittsburgh Penguins' interest in Kyle Dubas and a host of teams making decisions on head coach vacancies.