Who would you like as the next GM?

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Who should be the next GM

  • Dave Nonis

    Votes: 5 0.9%
  • Ray Shero

    Votes: 8 1.5%
  • Kris Draper

    Votes: 12 2.2%
  • Eric Tulsky

    Votes: 108 19.6%
  • Brandon Pridham

    Votes: 37 6.7%
  • Brad Treliving

    Votes: 34 6.2%
  • Scott Mellanby

    Votes: 3 0.5%
  • Jim Benning

    Votes: 10 1.8%
  • Peter Chiarelli

    Votes: 9 1.6%
  • Mathieu Darche (TB AGM)

    Votes: 4 0.7%
  • Jamie Pushor (TB AGM)

    Votes: 3 0.5%
  • Mark Hunter

    Votes: 16 2.9%
  • Scott Nichol (NSH AGM)

    Votes: 2 0.4%
  • Laurence Gilman

    Votes: 1 0.2%
  • Mike Gillis

    Votes: 2 0.4%
  • John Chayka

    Votes: 2 0.4%
  • Marc Bergevin

    Votes: 75 13.6%
  • Stan Bowman

    Votes: 41 7.5%
  • Steve Staios

    Votes: 1 0.2%
  • Ray Whitney

    Votes: 4 0.7%
  • Hayley Wickenheiser

    Votes: 13 2.4%
  • Ryan Hardy

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Jason Botterill

    Votes: 1 0.2%
  • Mike Futa

    Votes: 27 4.9%
  • Paul Fenton

    Votes: 1 0.2%
  • Sean Burke

    Votes: 4 0.7%
  • John Ferguson Jr

    Votes: 11 2.0%
  • Ron Hextall

    Votes: 7 1.3%
  • Dean Lombardi

    Votes: 13 2.4%
  • Chuck Fletcher

    Votes: 7 1.3%
  • Other

    Votes: 89 16.2%

  • Total voters
    550
The days of the '70s Flyers are gone. A couple of more power forwards who play a heavy game with grit will help. Problem is the petit 4 have none and they are playing the most minutes.
Totally agree.

It would be interesting to see if any of them woke up physically, if they had a physical presence on their line.

It’s hard to say that would happen though.

I could easily see Marner and Matthews standing idly by watching a Tkachuck type player take on multiple opposing players.
 
Voted JFj.

That would provide the greatest entertainment on this board.

And since this Leafs team flails and flunks during exams, that might be the only entertainment Leafs provide.
 
The GM they select will need to be able to analyze the club and get a coach that can get the most out of their people. I don't believe that was KD and Keefe because Kyle didn't really seem to understand the mindset of his young stars at contract time and then selected a coach who had no history of dealing with very high end talent. Give Keefe a bunch of kids and no stars and they will play Keefe hockey. Give him $40M worth of forwards and a 105 point club that just quit on their last coach and he is not going to enforce his system in the same way. Not making excuses for SK but its way easier for a coach to start with less high end talent and more desperation like these expansion teams.

The next coach can't be the player's buddy but they don't need a grinder like Sutter or Torts either. If the GM hits the right coach for the group this team can flourish, even down 1 star. So I don't have a particular preference because I don't know which GM would gravitate to which coach. I guess I have a bias toward experience because I suspect they might have a bit more knowledge about the options out there.
 
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It'll be interesting to see if the 3 years of fear mongering does ring true. Or if there is, in fact, a GM out there that can also lead us to one series win in half a decade.
 
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The game as been called that way in the playoffs for years.

And guess what?

A lot of people like it that way.

So do you adjust your team to be successful in that environment, or do you lose every year and then complain it’s not fair?

You have to play the hand you’re dealt. If the league does an about face down the line and suddenly calls the game differently in the playoffs, then you make adjustments at that time.

The Leafs won one round in five years. They got wiped out in the second round by Florida, it wasn’t even a contest. If they had gotten past Florida, it was only going to get harder for them, not easier.

Given that, they really aren’t that close to winning a cup.

So again….the NHL have done it for years…unlike any other sport …correct?
We should just accept it?

Rules change . How about we go back to the 70’s …have brawls and players in stand beating up fans….

Don Cherry and Fans loved it back then too.

It’s funny tho that viewership isn’t going well …especially in the States with this NHL product. And it’s no wonder because all the other sports promote their stars ….not goons

But we just accept rules changing in playoffs because it’s some kind of war and “some” of us like it?

It’s weird to me. I loved hockey…playing it and watching it but it’s a terrible product especially in the playoffs because of the rule change. Players are not tougher because they can take a header into the boards or skate thru hooking and slashes.

I mean look at Gudas …late hits …holding sticks….punching players in the face and the playoff refs just turn a blind eye

IMHO that isn’t good for hockey.

Make the rules consistent….have same rules in regular season. Let there be this so called “War” for 82 games then
 
One understated stat.
Only 25% of the teams in the league win a playoff round.
75% of the teams do not.

All things equal you win one round every 4 years.
Dubas won one in 5...plus made the playoffs each season.
 
Go to war? OMG

ok Don Cherry ….hahaha
What makes NHL playoffs a war but other sports not?
Do they change rules to glorify the goons?

Been thru over 50 yrs of watching hockey. Your tough guys like Domi and Tucker won nothing either. Guess they weren’t ready for WAR either.

Still waiting to find another sport that changes rules in playoffs
The Leaf teams with Tucker and Domi definitely won some playoff rounds.

But the implementation of the NHL salary cap really changed things for the Leafs. For years before that, they had relied on their ability to spend more money than other teams on slightly past their prime free agent veterans, and trading draft picks at the deadline in order to keep the team competitive and in the playoffs. When the salary cap hit, they had very little in their prospect pipeline which really hurt them as well as a bunch of aging overpaid veterans.

For me, that’s why it has been frustrating to watch Dubas trade away multiple first round picks year after year unsuccessfully chasing the cup.

It feels like were making the same mistakes
of the 1990’s to 2005 era all over again.
 

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I'm not necessarily supportive of Brad Treliving being the next Leafs GM, just coming at this as someone who is interested in GM work:

Treliving has been building up Calgary's D over time, which has been an interesting sequence to follow. Some of the work he's done there includes:

-Drafting Adam Fox in the mid rounds.
-Trading a 1st rounder for Dougie Hamilton from Boston in 2015.
-Signed Chris Tanev, a perennial Leaf favorite.
-Drafted some modern defensemen in Kylington and Andersson out of Sweden.
-Losing Adam Fox in his college/UFA dance, but trading him and Hamilton to Carolina for Elias Lindholm and Noah Hanifin which has worked out pretty nicely.

In terms of forward work:

-Drafted Matthew Tkachuk and Sam Bennett, who are spearheading the Florida Cinderella run.
-Drafting Bennett was a huge mistake at 4, so this isn't all good for Calgary.
-Drafted Andrew Mangiapane, who is a big personality, scrappy guy who would probably be a good player type in Toronto.
-Almost swindled Toronto out of Nazem Kadri for TJ Brodie.

Goaltenders:

-Signed Jacob Markstrom out of Vancouver, which is a big goalie investment and seems to have worked out every other year.
-Otherwise has gone cheap and sloppy in the past with a revolving door of Mike Smith, Big Save Dave and Cam Talbot. Not that good at all.

Free Agents:

-Spent good money on James Neal and had to flip him for Milan Lucic. Not da best.
-Lost Johnny Gaudreau for nothing to UFA.

Overall, I think he's a GM who has the willingness to pull off a big old fashioned trade from time to time, who will build a snarly team with scrappy forwards, and invest more on defense than the previous Leaf regime. Nothing to suggest he can put a team over the championship line, or build a comprehensive program.

He's definitely made some solid moves in isolation. Though if one looks at how he left the Flames, there's actually very few active players on that team they drafted and developed fully + plus some less than stellar veteran contracts.

A lot of his best players end up flourishing on other teams
 
Maybe Shanny moves toward a rookie GM + experienced GM as senior advisor.

Pridham as GM
Doug Wilson as Senior Advisor

Pridham has the final word. Wilson advises, offers contacts, etc.
 
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One understated stat.
Only 25% of the teams in the league win a playoff round.
75% of the teams do not.

All things equal you win one round every 4 years.
Dubas won one in 5...plus made the playoffs each season.

I don't want an average team, lol...that's not how to win a Cup.
 
The Leaf teams with Tucker and Domi definitely won some playoff rounds.

But the implementation of the NHL salary cap really changed things for the Leafs. For years before that, they had relied on their ability to spend more money than other teams and trading draft picks on slightly past their prime free agent veterans, in order to keep the team competitive and in the playoffs. When the salary cap hit, they had very little in their prospect pipeline which really hurt them as well as a bunch of aging overpaid veterans.

For me, that’s why it has been frustrating to watch Dubas trade away multiple first round picks year after year unsuccessfully chasing the cup.

It feels like were making the same mistakes
of the 1990’s to 2005 era all over again.
I agree that the Salary Cap has made it more difficult. Look at Lou …he just continues to put teams in cap hell and won squat during the cap era

Domi and Tucker teams won rounds with no salary cap and the rules back then were pretty consistent in what they went thru all during the season.

And with all that …they still won squat. Winning rounds is like wining a hole in golf….means nothing unlesss you win it all.

And I agree that throwing assets away for a folingo or a ROR or a Clarkson or a Martin is a waste of time. Supposedly adding that grit never panned out as usual like a lot of other teams.

This year it wasn’t lack of grit that eliminated us….it was the lack of scoring. Which can also be attributed to rules changing IMHO and also from a hot goalie that the hurricanes are finding out
 
I keep seeing people saying this but it was Tkachuk that wanted out. He told management he wasnt planning on re-signing with them after Gaudreau walked. So they got the best deal they could from a team that Tkachuk was willing to go to.
I know Tkachuk wanted out, but do you think he didn't like where the team was going with Treliving. It wasn't just because Gaudreau walked. In any case, he traded him and didn't anywhere near value. Think Lindros for Forsberg as one where both managers did well.
 
So again….the NHL have done it for years…unlike any other sport …correct?
We should just accept it?

Rules change . How about we go back to the 70’s …have brawls and players in stand beating up fans….

Don Cherry and Fans loved it back then too.

It’s funny tho that viewership isn’t going well …especially in the States with this NHL product. And it’s no wonder because all the other sports promote their stars ….not goons

But we just accept rules changing in playoffs because it’s some kind of war and “some” of us like it?

It’s weird to me. I loved hockey…playing it and watching it but it’s a terrible product especially in the playoffs because of the rule change. Players are not tougher because they can take a header into the boards or skate thru hooking and slashes.

I mean look at Gudas …late hits …holding sticks….punching players in the face and the playoff refs just turn a blind eye

IMHO that isn’t good for hockey.

Make the rules consistent….have same rules in regular season. Let there be this so called “War” for 82 games then
So, as far as the difference in the officiating between the playoffs versus regular season is concerned, as fans, it’s not left up to us to accept or not accept, simply for the fact there is no official mechanism for us to directly affect change.

I suppose if enough people tuned out because of the issue and it cost the teams enough revenue, then the teams might collectively push for changes, that is assuming they could accurately identify the source of the decline in interest.

Would the majority of fans, if given the chance change the rules so that the playoffs are officiated more consistently with the regular season?

I honestly don’t know, but it’s a good question.

I think many fans would say they don’t want the officials to decide games, they want the teams and players to decide games. I think fans also like consistency in the game calling, especially within an actual individual game itself.

How often in a game thread is it mentioned by someone that we should expect an even up call as the next penalty?

I would suggest that happens a lot, whether it’s the regular season or playoffs. And as predicted, that’s exactly what often happens.

But to your point, look at some of the other rules the NHL has attempted to clamp down on and taken a hardline on over the years.

Remember the no goal if a skate is in the crease era?

It became borderline ridiculous, especially after the Brett Hull Stanley Cup winning goal fiasco and they subsequently relaxed the rules.

How about the let’s “kill the trap” obstruction clampdown?

That lasted for a little bit and it was the same thing. They relaxed their hardline stance on it, partially to protect players as attacking forwards were left completely unopposed on the forecheck.

The rules on head shots largely changed because of the league’s exposure to legal liability. Fighting has been more harshly punished for much of the same reason.

In the end I’m not necessarily disagreeing with you, but the playoff rules are what they are. Dubas knew what they were when he began moulding this team to be successful. He failed in the time he was given, largely because he couldn’t overcome the reality that the playoffs are a different game. I believe he thought he could build a team so offensively gifted, that they would simply overwhelm any opposing team trying to stifle his teams offence.

It didn’t work.

I personally never thought it would work and many others here saw it similarly to me. One of the main obstacles I saw being an issue was holding that many high scoring players together with the financial restraints of the salary cap was not going to be possible.

Many others here saw it differently and thought it was possible though.

Given all that, we might as well acknowledge the reality of rules as they are today though, and build a team that can win as the rules exist today.

If things change tomorrow, or down the line, then we simply adjust to the new reality.
 
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He's definitely made some solid moves in isolation. Though if one looks at how he left the Flames, there's actually very few active players on that team they drafted and developed fully + plus some less than stellar veteran contracts.

A lot of his best players end up flourishing on other teams
That could be partially related to the reality of trying to retain and attract players in a small market team like Calgary though.
 
So, as far as the difference in the officiating between the playoffs versus regular season is concerned, as fans, it’s not left up to us to accept or not accept, simply for the fact there is no official mechanism for us to directly affect change.

I suppose if enough people tuned out because of the issue and it cost the teams enough revenue, then the teams might collectively push for changes, that is assuming they could accurately identify the source of the decline in interest.

Would the majority of fans, if given the chance change the rules so that the playoffs are officiated more consistently with the regular season?

I honestly don’t know, but it’s a good question.

I think many fans would say they don’t want the officials to decide games, they want the teams and players to decide games. I think fans also like consistency in the game calling, especially within an actual individual game itself.

How often in a game thread is it mentioned by someone that we should expect an even up call as the next penalty?

I would suggest that happens a lot, whether it’s the regular season or playoffs. And as predicted, that’s exactly what often happens.

But to your point, look at some of the other rules the NHL has attempted to clamp down on and taken a hardline on over the years.

Remember the no goal if a skate is in the crease era?

It became borderline ridiculous, especially after the Brett Hull Stanley Cup winning goal fiasco and they subsequently relaxed the rules.

How about the let’s “kill the trap” obstruction clampdown?

That lasted for a little bit and it was the same thing. They relaxed their hardline stance on it, partially to protect players as attacking forwards were left completely unopposed on the forecheck.

The rules on head shots largely changed because of the league’s exposure to legal liability. Fighting has been more harshly punished for much of the same reason.

In the end I’m not necessarily disagreeing with you, but the playoff rules are what they are. Dubas knew what they were when he began moulding this team to be successful. He failed in the time he was given, largely because he couldn’t overcome the reality that the playoffs are a different game. I believe he thought he could build a team so offensively gifted, that they would simply overwhelm any opposing team trying to stifle his teams offence.

It didn’t work.

I personally never thought it would work and many others here saw it similarly to me. One of the main obstacles I saw being an issue was holding that many high scoring players together with the financial restraints of the salary cap was not going to be possible.

Many others here saw it differently and thought it was possible though.

Given all that, we might as well acknowledge the reality of rules as they are today though, and build a team that can win as the rules exist today.

If things change tomorrow, or down the line, then we simply adjust to the new reality.

You don’t have to change the rules, just apply them consistently.

It’s the playoffs, you have to play hard. But not like Hyman, Kadri, Bunting, Simmonds, Clifford. You have to guess at where the line is, and if you guess wrong you either get suspended or bullied by the other team. Also the line changes game to game depending on the refs, the score, and the period.
 
So they have a terrible D and just adequate goaltending and yet are in the top of the league in goals against playing 82 games?

Less space with interference and hooking ? Why isn’t there less space in regular season? Teams just say ….the hell with it…we don’t care about making playoffs because why should we pay attention to details.

that’s hogwash in all honesty
Yes, players treat the playoffs differently. The Leafs are not built for the tough playoff grind.
 

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