Who would you like as the next GM?

[Da Mash]

Ergo the Leafs playoff failures are because they were built WRONG………

So because the NHL changes it’s rules in playoffs to allow more interference, hooking, elbows, boarding etc in playoffs

A team built around regular season rules are built wrong?

And dump ins increase because of these playoff rules change it seems

Name me another sport that ask teams to do this?

Oh…it’s NFL playoffs we can hold more and head slaps and late hits are ok now because it’s the playoffs…..imagine?

 

[Menzinger]

Definitely very vanilla and a lot of red flags with his last couple years.

He'd be 'ok". Basically the tread water option with the risk he'd end up doing something awful.

If he's hired I'd just hope the rest of the front office can offset his worse tendencies.

 

[Nineteen67]

So because the NHL changes it’s rules in playoffs to allow more interference, hooking, elbows, boarding etc in playoffs

A team built around regular season rules are built wrong?

And dump ins increase because of these playoff rules change it seems

Name me another sport that ask teams to do this?

Oh…it’s NFL playoffs we can hold more and head slaps and late hits are ok now because it’s the playoffs…..imagine?

The nhl doesn’t allow more elbows interference or hooking in the playoffs. Teams do pay attention to detail and make less space for the softer players.
The Leafs are built wrong because they don’t have a top 1A D, their D is weak and slow, never had adequate goaltending and their core play the same style.
Dubas dug a hole and got out of it.

 

[Stephen]

There's way too much smoke around Treliving for it not to be him at this point. Apparently Tanenbaum and Treliving's dad go way back. I've also seen Mirtle and others mention that they've heard Treliving's name connected to this job as early as March (he specifically said on his podcast that he received a text from a source on March 10th that Treliving will be the Leafs next GM).

Coincidentally, March 10th was after the trade deadline, when Shanahan claims he told Dubas he had seen enough that he thought at that time Dubas should remain GM. My guess is something happened in March, and that was when Shanahan actually started to consider new GM possibilities (contrary to what was said in his presser).

Anyone else think it's weird too how Treliving walked away from the Flames GM job a month after his name started coming up in rumours in Toronto? At this point there's so much smoke around Treliving that I would be shocked if it wasn't him.

All that being said, I voted Tulsky. I think he would be the best choice by far.

I'm not necessarily supportive of Brad Treliving being the next Leafs GM, just coming at this as someone who is interested in GM work:

Treliving has been building up Calgary's D over time, which has been an interesting sequence to follow. Some of the work he's done there includes:

-Drafting Adam Fox in the mid rounds.
-Trading a 1st rounder for Dougie Hamilton from Boston in 2015.
-Signed Chris Tanev, a perennial Leaf favorite.
-Drafted some modern defensemen in Kylington and Andersson out of Sweden.
-Losing Adam Fox in his college/UFA dance, but trading him and Hamilton to Carolina for Elias Lindholm and Noah Hanifin which has worked out pretty nicely.

In terms of forward work:

-Drafted Matthew Tkachuk and Sam Bennett, who are spearheading the Florida Cinderella run.
-Drafting Bennett was a huge mistake at 4, so this isn't all good for Calgary.
-Drafted Andrew Mangiapane, who is a big personality, scrappy guy who would probably be a good player type in Toronto.
-Almost swindled Toronto out of Nazem Kadri for TJ Brodie.

Goaltenders:

-Signed Jacob Markstrom out of Vancouver, which is a big goalie investment and seems to have worked out every other year.
-Otherwise has gone cheap and sloppy in the past with a revolving door of Mike Smith, Big Save Dave and Cam Talbot. Not that good at all.

Free Agents:

-Spent good money on James Neal and had to flip him for Milan Lucic. Not da best.
-Lost Johnny Gaudreau for nothing to UFA.

Overall, I think he's a GM who has the willingness to pull off a big old fashioned trade from time to time, who will build a snarly team with scrappy forwards, and invest more on defense than the previous Leaf regime. Nothing to suggest he can put a team over the championship line, or build a comprehensive program.

 

[Albz]

I remembered everything leafs needed a gm, hf got who they wanted. Burke, Lou than dubas. And look how they all turned out lol. So I'm gonna be good with anyone who hf doesn't recommend lol

 

[rumman]

So because the NHL changes it’s rules in playoffs to allow more interference, hooking, elbows, boarding etc in playoffs

A team built around regular season rules are built wrong?

And dump ins increase because of these playoff rules change it seems

Name me another sport that ask teams to do this?

Oh…it’s NFL playoffs we can hold more and head slaps and late hits are ok now because it’s the playoffs…..imagine?

If your goal is the president’s trophy no, if it’s the stanley cup yes……..

 

[Da Mash]

The nhl doesn’t allow more elbows interference or hooking in the playoffs. Teams do pay attention to detail and make less space for the softer players.
The Leafs are built wrong because they don’t have a top 1A D, their D is weak and slow, never had adequate goaltending and their core play the same style.
Dubas dug a hole and got out of it.

Okie Dokie then ….I cant tell you what you don’t want to see.

McDavid usually leads league in drawn penalties…why does that change so much in playoffs?

Honestly I don’t think you watch that much regular season games if you think rules don’t change.

Guess punching players in the head …crosschecks …boarding…elbows are not penalties. How many times have you seen the refs turn a blind eye in playoffs?

But go ahead and stick your head in the sand….

 

[CaptainCrunch17]

Tulsky is currently winning this poll and his Carolina team lead the NHL in dump-ins.

They routinely dump the puck into the offensive zone, forecheck like animals and win tons of 1v1/2v1 puck battles.

I would say that description isn't anywhere close to how we played under Dubas where we didn't like giving up possession, weren't a strong forechecking team and weren't a team you'd expect to win alot of physical board battles.

I even saw a sequence last night where they got a PP in the third period. Gostisbehere literally skated the puck to center and just riffled it into the zone, they got 3 forwards quickly in on the forecheck, won a 2v1 board battle and got the puck back to the point. Was such a clean and effective sequence and something you almost never see from us but was something we should have used more often when were struggling so much to get clean zone entries because the opposing team was just standing us up at their blueline.

They dominated advanced stats this season but not playing the way some would assume.

I think the best teams are able to effectively play different ways.

If you find the opposing team is standing up at their blueline, you dump, chase and forecheck. If the other team backs off, then you can carry the puck in. The Leafs under Dubas have been too one dimensional in their ability to play different ways and that’s why I feel they were too easily neutralized in the playoffs. They were too predictable and not able to adapt.

 

[Da Mash]

If your goal is the president’s trophy no, if it’s the stanley cup yes……..

Name me another sport that does that?

There isn’t any

 

[rumman]

Name me another sport that does that?

There isn’t any

Maybe the Leafs can become trendsetters………

 

[ToneDog]

Okie Dokie then ….I cant tell you what you don’t want to see.

McDavid usually leads league in drawn penalties…why does that change so much in playoffs?

Honestly I don’t think you watch that much regular season games if you think rules don’t change.

Guess punching players in the head …crosschecks …boarding…elbows are not penalties. How many times have you seen the refs turn a blind eye in playoffs?

But go ahead and stick your head in the sand….

100%, players also have to be willing to "go to war" in the playoffs. Dubas' teams never were. As such, always quick to the golf course, cottage or Carribean.

 

[Da Mash]

The nhl doesn’t allow more elbows interference or hooking in the playoffs. Teams do pay attention to detail and make less space for the softer players.
The Leafs are built wrong because they don’t have a top 1A D, their D is weak and slow, never had adequate goaltending and their core play the same style.
Dubas dug a hole and got out of it.

So they have a terrible D and just adequate goaltending and yet are in the top of the league in goals against playing 82 games?

Less space with interference and hooking ? Why isn’t there less space in regular season? Teams just say ….the hell with it…we don’t care about making playoffs because why should we pay attention to details.

that’s hogwash in all honesty

 

[CaptainCrunch17]

Ya but why Treliving? Way more competence in someone like McPhee.

I don’t disagree on McPhee.

But one of those names is clearly available and the other is questionably not.

 

[Da Mash]

100%, players also have to be willing to "go to war" in the playoffs. Dubas' teams never were. As such, always quick to the golf course, cottage or Carribean.

Go to war? OMG

ok Don Cherry ….hahaha
What makes NHL playoffs a war but other sports not?
Do they change rules to glorify the goons?

Been thru over 50 yrs of watching hockey. Your tough guys like Domi and Tucker won nothing either. Guess they weren’t ready for WAR either.

Still waiting to find another sport that changes rules in playoffs

 

[CaptainCrunch17]

100%, players also have to be willing to "go to war" in the playoffs. Dubas' teams never were. As such, always quick to the golf course, cottage or Carribean.

I don’t think we need to attempt to rebuild the 70’s Flyers, but certainly injecting some players of consequence who have grit is sorely needed. A couple of power forwards who aren’t afraid to take the puck to the net and who can forecheck with some physicality would certainly change the identity of this team especially in the playoffs.

 

[Superstar]

I don’t think we need to attempt to rebuild the 70’s Flyers, but certainly injecting some players of consequence who have grit is sorely needed. A couple of power forwards who aren’t afraid to take the puck to the net and who can forecheck with some physicality would certainly change the identity of this team especially in the playoffs.

If the price is right, would love to get Tom Wilson on the Leafs.

 

[ToneDog]

I don’t think we need to attempt to rebuild the 70’s Flyers, but certainly injecting some players of consequence who have grit is sorely needed. A couple of power forwards who aren’t afraid to take the puck to the net and who can forecheck with some physicality would certainly change the identity of this team especially in the playoffs.

The days of the '70s Flyers are gone. A couple of more power forwards who play a heavy game with grit will help. Problem is the petit 4 have none and they are playing the most minutes.

 

[hockeywiz542]

Is Armstrong not still GM In St.Louis?

He is, but there is speculation that Leafs could lure him away. Will he want to take orders from Shanny is a question.

Armstrong signs contract extension as Blues GM through 2025-26 | NHL.com

With five-year deal, can become longest-tenured in position in St. Louis history

www.nhl.com

With five-year deal, can become longest-tenured general manager in St. Louis Blues history

September 25, 2021

Doug Armstrong signed a five-year contract extension as general manager of the St. Louis Blues on Saturday. It runs through the 2025-26 season.

"I'd like to thank the coaches and the players," Armstrong said. "The hard work that they do is really what sets this organization apart. What they've been able to do over the last decade of making us one of the top teams in the NHL, allowing us to push and stay in that echelon over the next five years and beyond is exceptional. We're looking forward to staying here."

Armstrong replaced Larry Pleau as Blues general manager July 1, 2010, and was named GM/alternate governor and president of hockey operations Sept. 3, 2013. He can become longest-tenured GM in St. Louis history during the contract, surpassing Pleau (1997-2010).

Under Armstrong, the Blues have won three Central Division titles (2011-12, 2014-15, 2019-20), qualified for the Stanley Cup Playoffs nine times in 11 seasons, and won their first Stanley Cup championship since joining the NHL in 1967-68, defeating the Boston Bruins in seven games in the 2019 Stanley Cup Final. He won the NHL General Manager of the Year Award in 2012 as voted by NHL GMs and executives, and media members. (It was renamed the Jim Gregory General Manager of the Year Award in during the 2019-20 season.)

Armstrong had this season remaining on his contract, with a team option for 2022-23. The new contract begins this season.

 

[acrobaticgoalie]

There's way too much smoke around Treliving for it not to be him at this point. Apparently Tanenbaum and Treliving's dad go way back. I've also seen Mirtle and others mention that they've heard Treliving's name connected to this job as early as March (he specifically said on his podcast that he received a text from a source on March 10th that Treliving will be the Leafs next GM).

Coincidentally, March 10th was after the trade deadline, when Shanahan claims he told Dubas he had seen enough that he thought at that time Dubas should remain GM. My guess is something happened in March, and that was when Shanahan actually started to consider new GM possibilities (contrary to what was said in his presser).

Anyone else think it's weird too how Treliving walked away from the Flames GM job a month after his name started coming up in rumours in Toronto? At this point there's so much smoke around Treliving that I would be shocked if it wasn't him.

All that being said, I voted Tulsky. I think he would be the best choice by far.

The rumor that I heard was that there was a struggle between Treliving and Sutter (like Babs and Dubas) and Treliving did not want to return if Sutter was still coach but the owner liked Sutter and wasn't willing to sign off on firing him. So Treliving left and they ended up firing Sutter anyways. I heard that was only after a majority of the players on the team said they didn't want Sutter around anymore. Some wanting out.

 

[Da Mash]

Maybe the Leafs can become trendsetters………

Like our Ron Wilson team built on speed and adapted to the nhl regular season rules to protect players more?

Then in playoffs it went back to clutch and grab and clog up neural zone with interference and hooking?

 

[ToneDog]

If the price is right, would love to get Tom Wilson on the Leafs.

Not sure how many miles he has left. The way he plays the game takes a toll. It is why Kessell can play until he is 50.

 

[CaptainCrunch17]

Go to war? OMG

ok Don Cherry ….hahaha
What makes NHL playoffs a war but other sports not?
Do they change rules to glorify the goons?

Been thru over 50 yrs of watching hockey. Your tough guys like Domi and Tucker won nothing either. Guess they weren’t ready for WAR either.

Still waiting to find another sport that changes rules in playoffs

The game as been called that way in the playoffs for years.

And guess what?

A lot of people like it that way.

So do you adjust your team to be successful in that environment, or do you lose every year and then complain it’s not fair?

You have to play the hand you’re dealt. If the league does an about face down the line and suddenly calls the game differently in the playoffs, then you make adjustments at that time.

The Leafs won one round in five years. They got wiped out in the second round by Florida, it wasn’t even a contest. If they had gotten past Florida, it was only going to get harder for them, not easier.

Given that, they really aren’t that close to winning a cup.

 

[Da Mash]

If the price is right, would love to get Tom Wilson on the Leafs.

Is he the same age as Simmonds?

I don’t think we need to attempt to rebuild the 70’s Flyers, but certainly injecting some players of consequence who have grit is sorely needed. A couple of power forwards who aren’t afraid to take the puck to the net and who can forecheck with some physicality would certainly change the identity of this team especially in the playoffs.

I agree here …Knies and McMann may help.
We were again brainwashed to think ROR would be that guy and in all honesty Nylander showed more grit. Holl even fought …didn’t see ROR get into any skirmishes

 

[The Iceman]

It's not Prinham, not based on what Shanny said

Wonder if Shanny goes back to the old play book?

Take a guy he wants to groom (Pridham), hire an old established vet to mentor him, and hand the keys over in a couple of seasons.

 

[Superstar]

Not sure how many miles he has left. The way he plays the game takes a toll. It is why Kessell can play until he is 50.

I think he's got at least a good 3 years left, he's only 29.

Is he the same age as Simmonds?

Tom Wilson is 29.