Who would Detroit take at 4?

[DetroitRed]

I said with this break, the kid that has the most to gain is Perfetti. Hes probably been in the gym constantly and its paying off.



This has been discussed like crazy on here if you go back a few pages. It basically boils down too Perfetti being the higher upside player. Hes extremely physically immature compared to the other top prospects. Rossi is one of the most physically mature and he is one of the oldest in the draft.

Rossis game is a ? to translate well. At his size, setting up down low and holding off defenders is going to be very difficult. Also, Rossi isnt some amazing skater. Perfetti is fairly close with him skating wise where I dont think it should play a huge factor in who to draft. While theyre close there, Perfetti seems to have more room to grow there vs Rossi who has eaten and trained like a pro for years with a very physically mature body.

Rossi is definitely a safer pickbut thats not what Detroit needs. The people who didnt like the Rasmussen pick shouldnt be baning the drum for Rossi

Hmmm. I'm not sure if I like taking a little risk here or just grabbing one of the safer bets. It's too bad we really don't have need for a righty defender, because that would make it easy.

It seems like not long ago though, people were speculating that Raymond could be like Pettersson, and so we should take another look at him. I feel like before I commit, I need to see more of him. All of his other tools are apparent, I think it's just a question of how well he compares offensively.

If Raymond stacks up offensively, here's a European style player who will probably stay out of the box, to balance our aggressive NA players. Plus, he's got a 200 foot game, which to me was a characteristic our forwards tended to have back when we were winning cups, and that also balances guys like Mantha on the defensive end. He would also give us an option to go strong side RW/weak side LW, which we seriously lack. I mean, granted we need goals. If he can score comparably to Rossi and Perfetti , I think he's the one for me.

 

[newfy]

Hmmm. I'm not sure if I like taking a little risk here or just grabbing one of the safer bets. It's too bad we really don't have need for a righty defender, because that would make it easy.

It seems like not long ago though, people were speculating that Raymond could be like Pettersson, and so we should take another look at him. I feel like before I commit, I need to see more of him. All of his other tools are apparent, I think it's just a question of how well he compares offensively.

If Raymond stacks up offensively, here's a European style player who will probably stay out of the box, to balance our aggressive NA players. Plus, he's got a 200 foot game, which to me was a characteristic our forwards tended to have back when we were winning cups, and that also balances guys like Mantha on the defensive end. He would also give us an option to go strong side RW/weak side LW, which we seriously lack. I mean, granted we need goals. If he can score comparably to Rossi and Perfetti , I think he's the one for me.

One knock on Raymond is that hes a pure winger. Rossi or Perfetti are giving you a potential center. I also dont love that Raymond is more of a perimeter guy at times. He has the high end skill that I wouldnt ind him at 4th but he would be my 3rd choice there after Perfetti and probably Drysdale.

 

[lilidk]

In two years we could have
BLM
Rasmussen-Veleno,-Zadina
Perfetti- Fabbri-Grewe
Gleny -Ehn-Adams

 

[lilidk]

Wrong entery

 

[DetroitRed]

One knock on Raymond is that hes a pure winger. Rossi or Perfetti are giving you a potential center. I also dont love that Raymond is more of a perimeter guy at times. He has the high end skill that I wouldnt ind him at 4th but he would be my 3rd choice there after Perfetti and probably Drysdale.

I like Dryesdale a lot but I am kind of a defense guy. Too many righty defenders, especially of the talent level that would give us together with what we already have, would be a very good problem. But if we can truly pick up a league talent scorer, someone who can compete on a league level, I say that seems bigger right now just given how high I am on Hronek and Seider.

I really think, as far as center possibility, guys of this size are going to have two strikes against them if they aren't also great skaters. No doubt they will play a little center, but I'd be real impressed if they played center regularly. Maybe I'm wrong.

 

[The Zetterberg Era]

One knock on Raymond is that hes a pure winger. Rossi or Perfetti are giving you a potential center. I also dont love that Raymond is more of a perimeter guy at times. He has the high end skill that I wouldnt ind him at 4th but he would be my 3rd choice there after Perfetti and probably Drysdale.

Raymond gets to the middle of the ice plenty in my viewings, I think more importantly he gets the puck to the middle of the ice successfully a ton.



The thing I like most about Raymond is that to me he is always attacking and processing the game. He is a problem solver for the full 200 feet of the game. He is hunting offensively and defensively. I love watching him play for that reason. I think he goes to the slot with the puck and himself a lot, but he doesn't stay stationary he darts in and out kind of deal. I get where people are coming from in terms of some of the perimeter stuff, I think when he is holding it out there it is because the middle of the ice is being defended well and he understands that.

We will see, news that Perfetti has really increased his skating is notable. We also have that Raymond appears to have matured a little physically, if he could get another step that would be big. Those guys have a world of talent, with the draft not happening on time things can change a little here. I really believe Raymond is going to improve his draft stock. I think we get some adjustments and I have a hard time believing the guy that blows the doors off his peers isn't going to figure things out up a level, it just took a minute in my opinion. I expect a big fall if he gets more opportunity.

 

[newfy]

I like Dryesdale a lot but I am kind of a defense guy. Too many righty defenders, especially of the talent level that would give us together with what we already have, would be a very good problem. But if we can truly pick up a league talent scorer, someone who can compete on a league level, I say that seems bigger right now just given how high I am on Hronek and Seider.

I really think, as far as center possibility, guys of this size are going to have two strikes against them if they aren't also great skaters. No doubt they will play a little center, but I'd be real impressed if they played center regularly. Maybe I'm wrong.

Guys like Point and Tavares were probably worse skaters at draft time than Perfetti and theyre elite now.

 

[Barry Amsterdam]

Guys like Point and Tavares were probably worse skaters at draft time than Perfetti and theyre elite now.

point wasn’t good i’m juniors and now he’s elite for sure. tavares is still kinda below average

 

[lilidk]

There was nothing special about 19 year old Panarin,

 

[newfy]

point wasn’t good i’m juniors and now he’s elite for sure. tavares is still kinda below average

I think Tavares is slowing down a bit now, but he was a very solid skater for a long time. Top speed at least was solid but strong and good edges similar to Perfetti

 

[The Zetterberg Era]

I think Tavares is slowing down a bit now, but he was a very solid skater for a long time. Top speed at least was solid but strong and good edges similar to Perfetti

It was always kind of his weakness though and I think he will better in the playoffs, it sounds like he has been carrying a lower body injury for most of the year in terms of rumors. But I would argue Tavares with better skating pushes for a borderline generational talent. I think it is what kept him from being more special in terms of he could have been an all-timer with another step and a half in his skating.

I think he worked hard on it and really became a great player, but he never really could get exceptional at it in my opinion. I thought what he built to off-set that was how strong he is on the puck.

 

[Frk It]

It was always kind of his weakness though and I think he will better in the playoffs, it sounds like he has been carrying a lower body injury for most of the year in terms of rumors. But I would argue Tavares with better skating pushes for a borderline generational talent. I think it is what kept him from being more special in terms of he could have been an all-timer with another step and a half in his skating.

I think he worked hard on it and really became a great player, but he never really could get exceptional at it in my opinion. I thought what he built to off-set that was how strong he is on the puck.

Probably will be a similar story with Lafreniere.

 

[raymond23]

If you want to be sold on Cole Perfetti, listen to this (at about 8:10):

#TrackingTheDraft with Craig Button | Episode 4 - Cole Perfetti, Luke Tuch, Martin Chromiak, Time Machine - 3 Time Selke Award winner = Current London Knight

I'm with Button on this one.

Perfetti is an elite offensive talent. He's my pick at 4.

 

[Michael Brand Eggs]

Ugh. The draft is still so far away.

 

[lilidk]

Any idea when OHL start? Like to see Grewe with Perfetti on the same line

 

[Dotter]

yzerman gonna make heads explode when he selects Askarov #4

 

[lilidk]

yzerman gonna make heads explode when he selects Askarov #4

Going to be Mysak

 

[Marky9er]

Going to be Mysak

Now we're talking!

 

[WingsMJN2965]

Going to be Mysak

No, it's going to be my sack.

 

[Killerjas]

If they select Askarov I will be fuming

 

[MBH]

Drafting a winger, unless he's Lafreniere, is not in my gameplan at all.

 

[Hen Kolland]

Drafting a winger, unless he's Lafreniere, is not in my gameplan at all.

Well it's good that you fell in love with Sanderson, otherwise you'd have a hard time coping with reality that there aren't many options for "not a winger" in the top 10.

 

[WingsMJN2965]

Well it's good that you fell in love with Sanderson, otherwise you'd have a hard time coping with reality that there aren't many options for "not a winger" in the top 10.

Ehh, number four is pretty much between Drysdale, (RD) Raymond (W) and Rossi, (C) so we could reasonably pick a non-winger if we wanted.

 

[Michael Brand Eggs]

No, it's going to be my sack.

Your shack. So you're Sean Connery for this film.

 

[ArmChairGM89]

Ehh, number four is pretty much between Drysdale, (RD) Raymond (W) and Rossi, (C) so we could reasonably pick a non-winger if we wanted.

Not many on this board see Rossi as a center at the next level.