Who will the Bruins lose to the expansion draft?

[BruinDust]

Sportsnet takes a stab at how the expansion draft may play out in putting together its version of what players would make up the Knights roster when all is said and down. Not surprisingly, as most here suggest will happen, McQuade is the Bruins player selected.

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/...-golden-knights-unprotected-player-lists-nhl/

Right now of those guys on the bubble for protection for the Bruins, McQuaid as the selection seems like the safest bet.

I said this in another thread, but if I'm Boston, I'd try to cut a side deal to convince Vegas to take a forward or a goaltender and leave Boston's D alone.

 

[Ratty]

Vatrano doesn't need to be protected ^

Neither does Czarnik (2nd yr. pro).

 

[Lobster57]

The league isn't going to roll with 31 teams for long. Who goes in the next round of expansion?

 

[WhalerTurnedBruin55]

With the way the Bruins are building their team... I still think they should protect C. Miller and let Vegas select McQuaid or K. Miller.

Potential top 4 defenseman is much more valuable, especially to this team, than a career bottom pair. It's true C. Miller might end up on that role, too, but I'd take the risk and go for the guy that fits this teams future than the bottom pair guy in McQuaid or K. Miller, whom we've been trying to upgrade one of them for years.

Arguments can be made to keep McQuaid or K. Miller, but I definitely let one of them go and build with the guy with more offensive upside and harder to acquire than a stay at home bottom pair that is willing to fight. Plenty of those guys, easily acquired each off season. 24 year old offensive defenseman, that can skate, hit, with offensive upside? Which is harder to acquire later on. Which is easier / cheaper to fill the role of in the future?

 

[GoBs]

I think it'll be poor management to lose c Miller for nothing he's shown he has value and getting stuck with slow D only guys in the back end will only hurt the team long term.

Agree the upside is worth much more

 

[Ratty]

The Bruins, and, I believe, Las Vegas, know what to expect from K. Miller and McQuaid. They are journeymen, third pairing guys who perform at their capabilities.

Colin, OTOH, still has some upside. His speed and shot are first class. He throws the body and makes contact. Sometime his judgement can be questioned. But time and experience can make up for that. You can't teach the skills he has. And his salary is a plus for the org.

And you never know how long it's going to take Charlie Mc to develop. So I protect Chara (obligatory), Krug and Colin.If, after some pro experience with the Baby Bs, Charlie looks like he can handle himself at the NHL level, he gains more experience with the resident mentor, Mr. Z. Then you have:

Chara - McAvoy

Krug - Carlo

O'Gara - Colin

McQ or Kevan, whichever survives expansion.

 

[Blowfish]

The Bruins, and, I believe, Las Vegas, know what to expect from K. Miller and McQuaid. They are journeymen, third pairing guys who perform at their capabilities.

Colin, OTOH, still has some upside. His speed and shot are first class. He throws the body and makes contact. Sometime his judgement can be questioned. But time and experience can make up for that. You can't teach the skills he has. And his salary is a plus for the org.

And you never know how long it's going to take Charlie Mc to develop. So I protect Chara (obligatory), Krug and Colin.If, after some pro experience with the Baby Bs, Charlie looks like he can handle himself at the NHL level, he gains more experience with the resident mentor, Mr. Z. Then you have:

Chara - McAvoy

Krug - Carlo

O'Gara - Colin

McQ or Kevan, whichever survives expansion.

 

[Tampbear]

The Bruins, and, I believe, Las Vegas, know what to expect from K. Miller and McQuaid. They are journeymen, third pairing guys who perform at their capabilities.

Colin, OTOH, still has some upside. His speed and shot are first class. He throws the body and makes contact. Sometime his judgement can be questioned. But time and experience can make up for that. You can't teach the skills he has. And his salary is a plus for the org.

And you never know how long it's going to take Charlie Mc to develop. So I protect Chara (obligatory), Krug and Colin.If, after some pro experience with the Baby Bs, Charlie looks like he can handle himself at the NHL level, he gains more experience with the resident mentor, Mr. Z. Then you have:

Chara - McAvoy

Krug - Carlo

O'Gara - Colin

McQ or Kevan, whichever survives expansion.

I really can't see LV taking Colin over either of the other guys. In their first year they are going to need guys that can play safe minutes 20 minutes a night, K. Miller has 3 more years on a reasonable deal to be a 2nd pair defenseman for them. Colin has yet to show he can play those minutes, and for a young team trying to be somewhat competitive they will take the better defenseman who probably even holds more value in a trade. Colin could be a player down the line, but he is also 24 years old and has yet to show he can handle more than bottom pair minutes, something the coaches aren't even sure they should be giving him.

Also there is no way that McQuaid or Kevan will sit for Chiller or O'gara, who has the upside of becoming a Killer/McQuaid type of person.

 

[Fonzerelli]

Right now of those guys on the bubble for protection for the Bruins, McQuaid as the selection seems like the safest bet.

I said this in another thread, but if I'm Boston, I'd try to cut a side deal to convince Vegas to take a forward or a goaltender and leave Boston's D alone.

You might be on to something

 

[WhalerTurnedBruin55]

You might be on to something

Don't goalies historically not have great value? Shouldn't they stock up on defensemen, and trade those? Those usually are the players that have a ton of value in the trade market.

 

[Beesfan]

My guess is that Sweeney swings some deal were LV takes Matt Belesky and leaves our defensemen alone. Probably involves a mid-round pick in 2018.

Belesky would be a good pickup for LV. They won't need to worry about the cap, and he may regain his form of a year or two ago.

 

[Tampbear]

Don't goalies historically not have great value? Shouldn't they stock up on defensemen, and trade those? Those usually are the players that have a ton of value in the trade market.

That's what I was thinking, I have no idea how having 7 goalies could be a good thing for them. Maybe they figure everyone will be desperate for a backup once they take them all?

 

[BruinDust]

You might be on to something

I also read somewhere earlier that LV must claim at minimum 14 F, 9 D, and 3 G for 26 of their 3 selections, leaving 4 selections essentially at their discretion, hence them considering using all 4 discretionary selections on goaltenders.

Just my two cents, but I think Vegas aren't going to look at the expansions draft so much for roster building, as they will asset accumulation. Trades can be made, UFAs can be signed. They will likely take the 9 D-men available they consider to have the most trade value. They know that in general, D and C have more trade value than wingers.

Now if Boston can send an asset their way of interest to get them to stay away from whichever two are available out of Colin/Kevan/McQuaid, from an asset management standpoint they might consider that a prudent move.

Overall, I don't foresee many of the guys selected by LV being guys that the LV management team are looking at as "must-haves" for their own opening day roster. I think they will be open to arm-twisting from almost every team save a few like Minnesota or Anaheim that will likely have to make available a player of the caliber that would be tough to acquire in trade.

 

[ashnathan]

Miller will be taken over quaider

 

[DominicT]

I'm an Altavista guy personally Dom.

You know what's really funny:

The day after that piece appeared on the Knights website, Cap Friendly tweeted out information that was opposite of what the team was saying.

I emailed Cap Friendly, and even sent them the link to the Knights article and they replied with this:

"To our knowledge"
"what was explained to us"
"I believe they were referring to"

Can you imagine if LV has it wrong and Cap Friendly is correct and how that would effect the Knights decisions - in the wrong way?

I can't imagine an expansion team, making such important decisions, not understanding the options available to them. Quite laughable if they have it wrong.

 

[BruinDust]

You know what's really funny:

The day after that piece appeared on the Knights website, Cap Friendly tweeted out information that was opposite of what the team was saying.

I emailed Cap Friendly, and even sent them the link to the Knights article and they replied with this:

"To our knowledge"
"what was explained to us"
"I believe they were referring to"

Can you imagine if LV has it wrong and Cap Friendly is correct and how that would effect the Knights decisions - in the wrong way?

I can't imagine an expansion team, making such important decisions, not understanding the options available to them. Quite laughable if they have it wrong.

Almost unbelievable really. You would think LV would know the expansion rules/options inside out, frontwards and backwards.

But maybe they don't.

 

[rocketdan9]

Kevan Miller has really stepped his play as of late. On a very friendly long term deal....

Colin miller has been inconsistent from day 1....

 

[bbfan419]

Kevan Miller has really stepped his play as of late. On a very friendly long term deal....

Colin miller has been inconsistent from day 1....

I still take Colin over Kevan any day of the week, Colin is younger, cheaper and can really move the puck, Kevan Miller type guys can always be found fairly cheap to acquire. K Miller is praised for being better defensively, yet he has made quite a few blunders himself. I would still try to get rid of Beleskey's contract first, but would not mind seeing K Miller go. There were some teams possibly interested in Beleskey anyway and if we can dump his full salary and still get anything in return that works as well.

 

[Sharp Shooting Neely]

You might be on to something

The atricle provided a recap of the rules in place for the draft. The word "must" on the quote below from the article poses a question with that staregy. Is it actually permissible to take more than 3 GT's?

* Vegas must select the following number of players at each position: 14 forwards, 9 defencemen and 3 goaltenders.

 

[BruinDust]

The atricle provided a recap of the rules in place for the draft. The word "must" on the quote below from the article poses a question with that staregy. Is it actually permissible to take more than 3 GT's?

* Vegas must select the following number of players at each position: 14 forwards, 9 defencemen and 3 goaltenders.

I read that as the minimums at each position, which added together equals 26.

Leaving essentially 4 of their 30 selections at their discretion as to which position they use them on.

Hence the speculation they use all 4 discretionary picks on goaltenders for a total of 7 goaltenders selected.

 

[Jean_Jacket41]

The atricle provided a recap of the rules in place for the draft. The word "must" on the quote below from the article poses a question with that staregy. Is it actually permissible to take more than 3 GT's?

* Vegas must select the following number of players at each position: 14 forwards, 9 defencemen and 3 goaltenders.

They will select 30 players, one from each team.

14F+9D+3G= 26 players.

That leaves 4 more players of their choice, F, D or G to reach 30.

As for the Bruins, They don't even have 7F that you don't want to lose for nothing (Bergy-Marchand-Krejci-Backes-Pasta-Spooner). They are in position to add one and make a trade with other teams to get a F that they don't want to lose for nothing in the expansion draft.

 

[DKH]

Kevan Miller has really stepped his play as of late. On a very friendly long term deal....

Colin miller has been inconsistent from day 1....

The coaches have confidence in McQuaid & Killer.

With two high end right shots Carlo and McAvoy I can't see them dealing basically with 3 toddlers

I don't see how the information at hand points to Colin Miller being protected plus he's got to get paid more

 

[Dr Hook]

The coaches have confidence in McQuaid & Killer.

With two high end right shots Carlo and McAvoy I can't see them dealing basically with 3 toddlers

I don't see how the information at hand points to Colin Miller being protected plus he's got to get paid more

K. Miller and McQ are better defenders than Colin, true, but Colin is faster, a better skater, and better offensively than both. He has made pretty marked improvements this season, and he still has time and ability to bring his defensive game up to a higher level. For that reason I keep him, but you could be right about the 3 toddlers, not to mention that Rob O'Gara should be in the mix for a roster spot next season and possibly Grizz also.

 

[DKH]

K. Miller and McQ are better defenders than Colin, true, but Colin is faster, a better skater, and better offensively than both. He has made pretty marked improvements this season, and he still has time and ability to bring his defensive game up to a higher level. For that reason I keep him, but you could be right about the 3 toddlers, not to mention that Rob O'Gara should be in the mix for a roster spot next season and possibly Grizz also.

I would like to see Colin Miller play in the Final Four with that speed and skillset

He's almost to fast for his decision making

I love watching him live his skating is like art

Colin Miller would be protected by me but I'm going by what I think happens

 

[wintersej]

K. Miller and McQ are better defenders than Colin, true, but Colin is faster, a better skater, and better offensively than both. He has made pretty marked improvements this season, and he still has time and ability to bring his defensive game up to a higher level. For that reason I keep him, but you could be right about the 3 toddlers, not to mention that Rob O'Gara should be in the mix for a roster spot next season and possibly Grizz also.

Colin Miller has 12 points. Kevan Miller has 11 points. Kevan Miller plays on the PK. Colin Miller plays on the PP. Kevan Miller has 8 more minutes played over the entire season.

Colin Miller looks sexy, but his offensive zone IQ is no better than Kevan Miller's.

edit: Although I think DKH's comment that he is too fast for his decision making is very astute.