Who will the Bruins lose to the expansion draft?

[LouJersey]

Most important games of the year and Colin Miller is being scratched in favor of John Michael Liles.

McQuaid will be protected and a side deal for a mid round pick will have vegas take Chiller, Nash, Khudobin or Subban

 

[Dr Hook]

Colin Miller has 12 points. Kevan Miller has 11 points. Kevan Miller plays on the PK. Colin Miller plays on the PP. Kevan Miller has 8 more minutes played over the entire season.

Colin Miller looks sexy, but his offensive zone IQ is no better than Kevan Miller's.

edit: Although I think DKH's comment that he is too fast for his decision making is very astute.

And they are both -1. Not sure the stats tell the whole story here though, and we could add that CMiller has five more games played but 8 less minutes. Even with both at -1, I consider Kevan a better positional defender and checker. Colin is the better passer and shooter to me, and a far better skater. Dan's observation about decision making I agree with, as you do, but that is something that can be potentially developed with experience and growth. KMiller is what he is- not saying he's terrible, but I would keep Colin every time if I had to choose. I suspect the Bruins expose Colin also, but I hope they don't.

 

[Dr Hook]

I would like to see Colin Miller play in the Final Four with that speed and skillset

He's almost to fast for his decision making

I love watching him live his skating is like art

Colin Miller would be protected by me but I'm going by what I think happens

I would protect him, but the Bruins have an embarrassment of riches in young d-men and it may be that K. Miller is the preferred option while we transition the incoming blueliners. Hate to give up on Chiller, as I love watching him play- the way he winds up and flies out of our own end is something that only he and Krug can do on the back end.

 

[WhalerTurnedBruin55]

Kevan Miller has really stepped his play as of late. On a very friendly long term deal....

Colin miller has been inconsistent from day 1....

Kevan Miller born in 1987, played his first season at age 25 (playing 47 games in 13-14), he didn't play more than 50 games until last year, at age 28. Colin Miller played his first NHL season at age 23 (42 games in 15-16), still currently younger than Kevan Miller when Kevan made it to the NHL.

C. Miller is a potential top 4 defenseman. And while he may not make it there, he has the skill, and is young enough to warrant the risk. K. Miller and McQuaid are approaching 30, are bottom pair defensemen in their prime right now. Nothing wrong with them, but they are what they are. Good, yet replaceable skillsets that are ALWAYS available via UFA, trade/waivers each year.

Protecting bottom pair defensemen over a potential top 4 defenseman is awful asset management. Even if C. Miller isn't in the plans long term, he should have more value long term. Swap C. Miller for a similarly aged winger, if he's not part of the plan. But don't lose him for nothing, while protecting players that shouldn't really be above our #5 defensemen ever.

If this draft was a few years ago, this would literally be the defensive equivalent of protecting Chris Kelly or Greg Campbell in their prime over Ryan Spooner. Yea, Chris Kelly and Greg Campbell were better at that time, but it's absolutely bad asset management thinking they are the better option going forward.

Pure skillset wise, look at this list: http://www.spotrac.com/nhl/free-agents/defenseman/ufa/. IF McQuaid or K. Miller are selected, there are a plethora of defensive defensemen available, that are likely available without breaking the bank or even giving up assets. Losing a 24 year old that while isn't there yet, but showing improvement, is really bad asset management. The kind of bad asset management I'd expect from our management, but maybe they'll prove me wrong.

 

[BruinDust]

Kevan Miller born in 1987, played his first season at age 25 (playing 47 games in 13-14), he didn't play more than 50 games until last year, at age 28. Colin Miller played his first NHL season at age 23 (42 games in 15-16), still currently younger than Kevan Miller when Kevan made it to the NHL.

C. Miller is a potential top 4 defenseman. And while he may not make it there, he has the skill, and is young enough to warrant the risk. K. Miller and McQuaid are approaching 30, are bottom pair defensemen in their prime right now. Nothing wrong with them, but they are what they are. Good, yet replaceable skillsets that are ALWAYS available via UFA, trade/waivers each year.

Protecting bottom pair defensemen over a potential top 4 defenseman is awful asset management. Even if C. Miller isn't in the plans long term, he should have more value long term. Swap C. Miller for a similarly aged winger, if he's not part of the plan. But don't lose him for nothing, while protecting players that shouldn't really be above our #5 defensemen ever.

If this draft was a few years ago, this would literally be the defensive equivalent of protecting Chris Kelly or Greg Campbell in their prime over Ryan Spooner. Yea, Chris Kelly and Greg Campbell were better at that time, but it's absolutely bad asset management thinking they are the better option going forward.

Pure skillset wise, look at this list: http://www.spotrac.com/nhl/free-agents/defenseman/ufa/. IF McQuaid or K. Miller are selected, there are a plethora of defensive defensemen available, that are likely available without breaking the bank or even giving up assets. Losing a 24 year old that while isn't there yet, but showing improvement, is really bad asset management. The kind of bad asset management I'd expect from our management, but maybe they'll prove me wrong.

I've liked what both McQuaid and Kevan have brought this year. Their skating and puck-moving has improved to go along with their typically solid defensive play and physical ability. Impressed with both, and that's a far cry from what I would of said back in Oct./Nov.

That being said, let's not act like either bring some remarkably unique skill-set that is difficult to find in the NHL.

I'd prefer to keep all 3 (Quaider, Kevan and Colin), and would try to make side-deals with LV to do so.

That being said, it's terrible asset management to allow a NHL D-man with the skill-set and upside of Colin Miller to get poached in expansion to protect the skill-sets of a Quaider or Kevan.

 

[DKH]

I've liked what both McQuaid and Kevan have brought this year. Their skating and puck-moving has improved to go along with their typically solid defensive play and physical ability. Impressed with both, and that's a far cry from what I would of said back in Oct./Nov.

That being said, let's not act like either bring some remarkably unique skill-set that is difficult to find in the NHL.

I'd prefer to keep all 3 (Quaider, Kevan and Colin), and would try to make side-deals with LV to do so.

That being said, it's terrible asset management to allow a NHL D-man with the skill-set and upside of Colin Miller to get poached in expansion to protect the skill-sets of a Quaider or Kevan.

But if McPhee hired you and asked you about Boston what would you do? Definitely take Colin Miller, right. And laugh at some take Hayes or even Beleskey deal unless really good prospect or pick coming back I would think

 

[WhalerTurnedBruin55]

But if McPhee hired you and asked you about Boston what would you do? Definitely take Colin Miller, right. And laugh at some take Hayes or even Beleskey deal unless really good prospect or pick coming back I would think

Personally, I let them take one of McQuaid and K. Miller, THEN make a trade with Vegas for one of the BETTER defensemen they draft. I'd give up assets to upgrade one of them, as opposed to trying to protect one of them.

 

[BruinDust]

But if McPhee hired you and asked you about Boston what would you do? Definitely take Colin Miller, right. And laugh at some take Hayes or even Beleskey deal unless really good prospect or pick coming back I would think

I'd need some crazy good incentive to even considered Belesky.

Hayes I'd need some incentive, not as much as Belesky, but he only has the one-year left and it can be buried in the minors and eat the 1.3 approx cap hit for one season.

As to which D, it's hard to say really. McQuaid of the 3 D is one I would think is the most likely pick from LV, at least in a vacuum.

Impossible to say really without seeing the rest of the expansion list from other teams and the quality of players, in particular the D-men, that are available.

 

[Sharp Shooting Neely]

Luke Fox recaps the top 10 most popular selections from the over 40,000 entry selections attempts to assemble a team for the Knights using the capfriendly program for same. There is a Bruin on the list.

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/...fverberg-murray-brodin-gabner-yakupov-subban/

 

[talkinaway]

Luke Fox recaps the top 10 most popular selections from the over 40,000 entry selections attempts to assemble a team for the Knights using the capfriendly program for same. There is a Bruin on the list.

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/...fverberg-murray-brodin-gabner-yakupov-subban/

Wow. This is why you shouldn't use CapFriendly's drafting tool drunk, people.

Malcolm Subban? I'm not going to pretend to know how good various backup goalies are across the league. But a Penguin goalie is a given. There have GOT to be two other goalies better than Subban at this point. I mean, since they don't have an AHL affiliate and they're going to have a surfeit of players (and at least 1 extra goalie unless McPhee is a graduate of the New York Islanders School of Roster Building), I assume Vegas is probably going to have to loan players to AHL affiliates, like we did with Jeremy Smith to the Iowa Wild last season, right? That would be the ONLY possible reason to take Subban.

 

[s3antana5757]

Wow. This is why you shouldn't use CapFriendly's drafting tool drunk, people.

Malcolm Subban? I'm not going to pretend to know how good various backup goalies are across the league. But a Penguin goalie is a given. There have GOT to be two other goalies better than Subban at this point. I mean, since they don't have an AHL affiliate and they're going to have a surfeit of players (and at least 1 extra goalie unless McPhee is a graduate of the New York Islanders School of Roster Building), I assume Vegas is probably going to have to loan players to AHL affiliates, like we did with Jeremy Smith to the Iowa Wild last season, right? That would be the ONLY possible reason to take Subban.

Yeah this surprised me also. Gotta think it's K. Miller or McQ. Could possibly think about Beleskey too if he's exposed.

Going to be very interesting to see who they protect at the 7th forward. I'd rather protect Nash than Beleskey.

 

[Fonzerelli]

Wow. This is why you shouldn't use CapFriendly's drafting tool drunk, people.

Malcolm Subban? I'm not going to pretend to know how good various backup goalies are across the league. But a Penguin goalie is a given. There have GOT to be two other goalies better than Subban at this point. I mean, since they don't have an AHL affiliate and they're going to have a surfeit of players (and at least 1 extra goalie unless McPhee is a graduate of the New York Islanders School of Roster Building), I assume Vegas is probably going to have to loan players to AHL affiliates, like we did with Jeremy Smith to the Iowa Wild last season, right? That would be the ONLY possible reason to take Subban.

Vegas has come out and said they plan to take 7 goaltenders in the draft. They say goaltenders hold their value and are excellent assets with which to build their team through trades. I don't know if Subban would be one of the 7, (wouldn't be my choice) but when you consider the unprotected alternatives, I could see it in the realm of possibilities. What chance would they have to trade a Miller or McQuaid?

 

[BruinDust]

Vegas has come out and said they plan to take 7 goaltenders in the draft. They say goaltenders hold their value and are excellent assets with which to build their team through trades. I don't know if Subban would be one of the 7, (wouldn't be my choice) but when you consider the unprotected alternatives, I could see it in the realm of possibilities. What chance would they have to trade a Miller or McQuaid?

Two capable NHL caliber D-men? I'd say pretty good.

D-men have plenty of trade value, and I'd wager just as much if not more than goaltenders, despite what Vegas thinks.

And they'll take 9, so there is a decent chance one is from Boston.

Now that being said, Subban's improved 2nd half has increased the chances he's taken, but not significantly so.

The real value in Vegas taking 7 goaltenders is they really hold the hammer, ever team needs at least 2, all of sudden of the say 55-60 NHL caliber Goalies on the planet, Vegas will hold the rights to a pretty significant number of them.

 

[Fonzerelli]

Two capable NHL caliber D-men? I'd say pretty good.

D-men have plenty of trade value, and I'd wager just as much if not more than goaltenders, despite what Vegas thinks.

And they'll take 9, so there is a decent chance one is from Boston.

If they think they can get more for Miller or MQuaid than they can for Subban than they will likely go that route. I'm not convinced they can.

 

[BruinDust]

If they think they can get more for Miller or MQuaid than they can for Subban than they will likely go that route. I'm not convinced they can.

What really is Subban's value when he has to clear waivers next October unless he makes an NHL team.

His play this season has upped his value from zilch to minimal.

 

[GloveSave1]

If Chiller is available, that's a no-brainer for Vegas.

I hoping they try to get rid of contracts like Beleskey and dogs like Morrow...but if it isn't Chiller you gotta think it's McQuaid.

McQuaid is great to have around, but the Bruins need to upgrade the few spots available that up and comers aren't going to take. If it's McQuaid or K. Miller, and it should be, I'm going Miller.

I could see Vegas definitely having some interest in McQuaid as a steady, tough, and veteran #5 with a ring.

I just hope the Bruins are looking for better than K. Miller and McQuaid.

 

[patty59]

They're going to need to take minor leaguers too, they aren't drafting 30 NHLers or 30 guys other teams don't want.

 

[Sharp Shooting Neely]

Vegas has come out and said they plan to take 7 goaltenders in the draft. They say goaltenders hold their value and are excellent assets with which to build their team through trades. I don't know if Subban would be one of the 7, (wouldn't be my choice) but when you consider the unprotected alternatives, I could see it in the realm of possibilities. What chance would they have to trade a Miller or McQuaid?

I recall reading that as well. Posted previously that an article that contained the rules for the entry draft stipulated that only 3 keepers could be selected. There are also numbers set for D and forward positions. Should that be the case it would not appear they could load up on keepers with an eye to trading them for other assets.

As for Subban, would the Knights have an eye on stocking a minor league team as well? If so that may change their view on who they might take as a third selection.

 

[BruinDust]

They're going to need to take minor leaguers too, they aren't drafting 30 NHLers or 30 guys other teams don't want.

They are going to take the 30 assets that have the most value and go from there, provided it fits the minimum selection criteria they have to meet taking at least 14 F and 9 D. Unless they are given incentive from other clubs to take someone else.

Filling out part of an AHL roster (they don't have to provide a complete AHL team, same as Providence have their own guys on solely AHL contracts), is the least of their concerns. Nor are they required to have 50 guys on NHL contracts.

They have other trades, college or CHL free agents, UFAs and non-qualified UFAs, etc. plenty of ways to find some AHL level depth rather than waste valuable expansion picks on players for that purpose.

 

[BruinDust]

I recall reading that as well. Posted previously that an article that contained the rules for the entry draft stipulated that only 3 keepers could be selected. There are also numbers set for D and forward positions. Should that be the case it would not appear they could load up on keepers with an eye to trading them for other assets.

As for Subban, would the Knights have an eye on stocking a minor league team as well? If so that may change their view on who they might take as a third selection.

Those are minimums, not maximums.

Once again, why waste selections worrying about stocking AHL depth when there are plenty of ways to accomplish that goal.

 

[patty59]

They are going to take the 30 assets that have the most value and go from there, provided it fits the minimum selection criteria they have to meet taking at least 14 F and 9 D. Unless they are given incentive from other clubs to take someone else.

Filling out part of an AHL roster (they don't have to provide a complete AHL team, same as Providence have their own guys on solely AHL contracts), is the least of their concerns. Nor are they required to have 50 guys on NHL contracts.

They have other trades, college or CHL free agents, UFAs and non-qualified UFAs, etc. plenty of ways to find some AHL level depth rather than waste valuable expansion picks on players for that purpose.

What I mean is most people are thawing out names like Mcquaid, Miller and Miller, it could easily be a guy that's in Providence right now.

 

[patty59]

Those are minimums, not maximums.

Once again, why waste selections worrying about stocking AHL depth when there are plenty of ways to accomplish that goal.

Because you can't pick up 30 3 million dollar contracts.

 

[BruinDust]

Because you can't pick up 30 3 million dollar contracts.

So pick NHL guys on 1 million dollar contracts.

They aren't taking AHL filler with these picks. Ain't happening. Wasted value.

 

[BruinDust]

What I mean is most people are thawing out names like Mcquaid, Miller and Miller, it could easily be a guy that's in Providence right now.

Not with what is going to be available from Providence. Your talking names like Ferlin and Randell. LV could probably get both from Boston for future considerations alone.

The rest (and the guys with value) are exempt based on not having played 3 pro seasons.

 

[patty59]

Not with what is going to be available from Providence. Your talking names like Ferlin and Randell. LV could probably get both from Boston for future considerations alone.

The rest (and the guys with value) are exempt based on not having played 3 pro seasons.

Subban?