Who will the Bruins lose to the expansion draft?
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KnightofBoston
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Lobster57
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does that mean that they have to take at least 43.8 in cap hit in the expansion draft, but still have to hit 54 in total (ie up to 11 mill more in FA's or trades)?
dredeye
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Why would you hope they take Subban?
You hope they take one of Hayes, Belesky, McQuaid or Miller. I don't see that happening though. I'd love to drop one of those contracts with term
talkinaway
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I haven't read anything about Vegas having to hit the actual cap minimum for 2017-8 - just that they have to hit between 60%-100% of this year's cap with the expansion draft. (They wrote this to base Vegas' expansion draft cap based on this year's cap, and not next year's cap, but from what I've read, the cap might be the same.)
That said, it looks the actual $54 million cap floor is 74% of the cap ceiling. As you've noted, it's only about $11.2 million more. That's about $373K more per player for a 30 player team.
This site has 3 people mock drafting. It's not very good, as it had some people who protected Morrow over Miller, and Hayes over Beleskey. Their drafts come out to $50-$55 million. Add in 1-2 free agents or trades, and hitting a $54M floor isn't that daunting.
http://www.foxsports.com/nhl/story/vegas-golden-knights-mock-expansion-draft-roundtable-020717
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1) Subban is terrible and will never be an NHL goalie. Another Chiarelli wasted first round pick.
2) McQuaid and Miller are both solid defensemen who hit, fight and play a decent defensive game. Anybody notice the amount of ice time McQuaid is getting under Cassiday? Also when he is getting it, if Cassisdy stays I expect McQuaid to be protected (much to the chagrin of the "I want all my defenseman to be small puck movers" crowd" on here), that means you lose C.Miller who I like a lot and think will be a pretty good defenseman, love his shot and he is chippy dirty but his hockey IQ is lacking, maybe as he matures that changes and he becomes a solid top 6 D, for now I keep McQuaid and offer Vegas the second round pick if they take Hayes,
WhalerTurnedBruin55
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Keeping both K. Miller and McQuaid and losing C. Miller is a bad move, organizationally. K. Miller and McQuaid are closer to each other than anyone is to C. Miller. Factor in age, and direction of the team/league, assuming management doesn't change the defensive roster from here to the expansion draft, it's not a smart move to waste the protection on a player like McQuaid.
It's not about "I want all my defensemen to be small puck movers". It's replacing a stay at home is often cheaper and easier than finding a good puck mover. McQuaid is best as a bottom pairing defensemen, and he's stepped into a top 4 role at times and performed ok, other times, he's either injured or just not skilled enough to be there. It's not a knock on him. It's just a waste of a protection slot to protect a bottom pairing defenseman than a potential top 4 skilled player.
The Bruins obsession with grit over skill has burned us in the past. Let's not let it happen again.
Jdavidev
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Why Hayes? He'll only have 1 year left on his contract. If they are dropping a high draft pick, Beleskey is the eye sore contract right now
KlausJopling
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Its going to be McQuaid or K. Miller. My guess is McQuaid since he does have that Stanley Cup winner label. I think they are banking on this, because if we don't lose one of them we are going to need to move one anyway to make room for McAvoy on the right side.
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In my opinion, barring any trades before the expansion draft, I think there will be better defensemen available than both Kevan Miller and McQuaid to draft. It's just my opinion, but I think Vegas would be willing to take a flier on Beleskey if the Bruins offered them a 3rd to draft him in hopes he returns to being the 40pt winger he was last season and potentially be their 2nd line LW.
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Two reasons, I think this is an off season for a player who has been a solid third line player most of his career and can move up and down the line up when playing well in Belesky and Hayes, while only having one year left on his contract, is essentially useless.
With Belesky you do have to wonder how Cassidy feels about him, will he use him n a top 6 roll if he improve next year, will there be room for him in that roll. If they add Landeskog in the off season (who I would make a priority target) then I would move Belesky and bury Hayes and his contract in Providence for a year and deal with his salary over the 850K you are allowed to write off. I still think he would walk away and hold out so you could suspend Hayes and not have to worry about him, I can't see him taking a demotion to Providence well.
You can afford Belesky if you fill spots with some of the wonder prospects or cheaper free agents. Carlo should still be a top 4 D on an ELC and maybe if McAvoy doesn't need a year in Providence (which I suspect he does and that's if he signs). DeBrusk and Chelarik should both push for spots and Vatrano has another year on his ELC. While Belesky is overpaid if he is doing what he is suppose to (being among the league leaders in hits, putting up 30+ points and being a general nuisance) he offers much more than Lil' Jimmy.
Also this is a terrible draft and a second isn't worth much
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Not surprisingly I disagree and I like Colin Miller. I think there may be a pretty good hockey player there but I keep two guys I know can play and one (McQuaid) who has played very well recently.
Take a look at what defensive defensemen like McQuaid cost in free agency, he is paid appropriately, as is K.Miller.
wintersej
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Charlie McAvoy is to Colin Miller as Kevan Miller is to Adam McQuaid.
In reality, with Carlo locked in, you are going to be playing two out of those 4.
Would it be unreasonable to select one from each group? I'm all for protecting Colin over McQuaid/Kevan... but two of those guys will have new addresses at some point...and Colin's 1 million cap hit will be a very valuable trade chip next season.
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wintersej
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Totally, just think the redundancy argument has less value. Same conclusion, different path.
WhalerTurnedBruin55
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I'm not arguing his pay is appropriate, it is. It is that both of them are bottom pair defensemen on a good team.
C. Miller has the potential to be an actual top 4 defensemen, skill wise, something McQuaid and K. Miller aren't. Sure, both of them have stepped into the role, but they are not offensively viable (or either durable) enough to use the protection slot in my opinion. I'm not saying they aren't useful players, just replaceable (by one or the other). Is it easier or harder to acquire a #4-6 stay at home defenseman vs. #4-6 skilled defenseman?
Both are required on the team, but if I'm losing one or the other, we have two 4-6 stay at home defensemen at just under 3 million. Or a skilled defensemen, making about a million.
There is a chance they don't want a defensemen from Boston, hell maybe they even roll the dice with Subban instead, but my bet is they grab a Bruins defensemen considering our forward offerings are mostly garbage.
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I agree with you on who Vegas will be looking at and I think it is one of the reasons they have almost identical contracts, management knew they were going to lose one. I think the best option is still making a side deal with Vegas that costs you a pick to have them take a forward, ideally Hayes.
If you could get McPhee to take Subban it would be tremendous but George McPhee isn't stupid, I don't think Subban is worth anything to anyone right now.
Again I like C.Miller but I protect McQuaid because of intangibles, toughness and he is a solid bottom pair physical D which Boston needs. Carlo isn't physical, McAvoy may be but there is a huge difference between college and pro and he may not be as physical, Zboril and Lauzon I'm not sure will ever see the NHL and O'Gara, while a stay at home D didn't show me a physical side in his time up at the beginning of the season, maybe he has begun to develop one in Providence. With Chara going in a year or two and losing McQuaid it can become a very soft, small D very quickly.
mikelvl
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I don't see how the Bruins can't protect Colin Miller. I think Vegas would scoop him up.
That being said, I think Kevan Miller is an ideal glue/bridge dman for them. He's a hard nosed SoCal guy to begin with. Great intangibles for a new franchise, can plug away for a few years sticking up for his teammates as a no.4-6 dman while waiting for prospects to develop.
That being said, I think Kevan Miller is an ideal glue/bridge dman for them. He's a hard nosed SoCal guy to begin with. Great intangibles for a new franchise, can plug away for a few years sticking up for his teammates as a no.4-6 dman while waiting for prospects to develop.
WhalerTurnedBruin55
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We'll just agree to disagree, but there's no way I pick McQuaid over C. Miller. It's just not good asset management.
Expansion selection aside, all I hope is neither Adam McQuaid nor Kevan Miller start in our top 4 next season. However we make that happen, I'm ok with.
Jean_Jacket41
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In our horror of a backup season this guy isnt even worth a call up?
He's 23 and been with us since 2013.
He did the get the call up and was part of the "horror of a backup season" we've had. Not saying he shouldn't get another look at some point, but he looked really, really poor when he played for us this season.
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