Who is the 2nd best Penguin of all time: Crosby or Jagr?

[BraveCanadian]

Looking at era adjusted points, Jagr has 3 seasons in the top 50 all time. Crosby’s best three seasons are 59th, 85th, and 95th. I think a lot of people are underrating how much better Jagr was offensively than Crosby.

Agreed. Crosby might be a better overall player but to me Jagr was a step up offensively.. and Jagr’s ability and puck possession at ES made him one of the most effective players ever.. traditional defence or not.

Easy to better offensively when the entire team is set up so that you score.

How many years did Jagr have the title of best player in the NHL? 3?

Sid was in that conversation for 8-9.

How many seasons did Crosby share with prime Lemieux? C’mon what a weak argument.

 

[Gurglesons]

How many seasons did Crosby share with prime Lemieux? C’mon what a weak argument.

Call me when Jagr was viewed as the 2nd best player in any of those years.

 

[BraveCanadian]

Call me when Jagr was viewed as the 2nd best player in any of those years.

Seriously? He was the best or second best in at least a half dozen seasons.

You know, leading the league in points 5 times - for real, not on pace - and being second to Lemieux another time so.. then he was runner up again for the Hart, and should have won with the Rangers..

 

[Gurglesons]

Seriously? He was the best or second best in at least a half dozen seasons.

You know, leading the league in points 5 times - for real, not on pace - and being second to Lemieux another time so.. then he was runner up again for the Hart, and should have won with the Rangers..

I'll give you 94-95. But, most people had Lindros above him IMO that year.

Outside of that, I don't think there was a single year when Jagr was playing with Lemieux that he was viewed as the 2nd best player in the world.

 

[BraveCanadian]

I'll give you 94-95. But, most people had Lindros above him IMO that year.

Outside of that, I don't think there was a single year when Jagr was playing with Lemieux that he was viewed as the 2nd best player in the world.

Lol

NHL Scoring Leaders 1995-1996

NHL scoring leaders and demographics breakdown in the 1995-1996 season. Player stats, nationality and age distributions, draft rounds of players in the 1995-1996 NHL season.

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[PenguinSuitedUp]

No, it's meaningless and misleading.

Crosby's 13/14 season "adjusts" to 116 points, Paul Kariya's 101 point 98/99 season, 26 points behind Jagr, "adjusts" to 115 points. So put Crosby in 98/99 and he gets 102 points.

Sound reasonable??

Based on the % each player was ahead of the #10/25/50 scorer, Crosby's 13/14 season was about 8% behind Jagr's 98/99 season. This puts him around 117 points.

That is reasonable.

This is like saying $1 today is worth the same as $1 10 years ago.

 

[Johnny Tomala]

Crosby, he spent more time there. Jagr was the better player though.

 

[daver]

This is like saying $1 today is worth the same as $1 10 years ago.

No, it's like saying $1 "adjusts" to $1.30 for no reason whatsoever.

 

[PenguinSuitedUp]

No, it's like saying $1 "adjusts" to $1.30 for no reason whatsoever.

The value of a single point fluctuates based on the difficulty of scoring a goal from year to year. It’s not no reason.

 

[Gurglesons]

Lol

NHL Scoring Leaders 1995-1996

NHL scoring leaders and demographics breakdown in the 1995-1996 season. Player stats, nationality and age distributions, draft rounds of players in the 1995-1996 NHL season.

www.quanthockey.com

So who ever scores the most points is the best player in the league?

 

[daver]

The value of a single point fluctuates based on the difficulty of scoring a goal from year to year. It’s not no reason.

And using league GPG to measure this difficulty has been shown to be useless for a number of reasons. How far one separates themselves from their direct peers is the best way.

 

[spiny norman]

Lopsided result.