Who is our 23 man roster on opening night?

[ca5150]

Led team in goals on 2012-2013.

So what?? That was a lockout year, he had all of 12 goals...

I would rather have MacKenzie back or another speedy center who will crash and bang and forecheck and wear out the other teams top lines.

You guys put way too much value on Letestu, on a healthy team, we don't need him to kill penalties, he isn't particularly good on faceoffs, is one of the slowest players on the team. I would let him walk and sign someone more suited for the 4th line.

 

[ca5150]

non scoring center who is good at faceoffs is worth WAAAAAAYYYY more than a winger who doesn't score and doesn't do much else...

Did Boll wink at your girlfriend one time or something? jesus...

 

[DarkandStormy]

So what?? That was a lockout year, he had all of 12 goals...

I would rather have MacKenzie back or another speedy center who will crash and bang and forecheck and wear out the other teams top lines.

You guys put way too much value on Letestu, on a healthy team, we don't need him to kill penalties, he isn't particularly good on faceoffs, is one of the slowest players on the team. I would let him walk and sign someone more suited for the 4th line.

13. And it was still more than anyone else, so what's the point of it being a lockout year?

53.3% on faceoffs

I can't even with the rest of your post.

You'll get your wish though, doubt he's back.

 

[ca5150]

13. And it was still more than anyone else, so what's the point of it being a lockout year?

I can't even with the rest of your post.

You'll get your wish though, doubt he's back.

What's so frustrating about posters like yourself, is, there is a formula to a winning hockey team, it's not all about offense all the time! Why do you not get that? You need the right amount of offense, forecheckers, snarl, fight, danglers, bangers, defensive guys. Why do you, and a lot of people really on here, only put value on goals and nothing else when it comes to forwards?? Please help me understand, and don't even mention Boll, this doesn't have a damn thing to do with him.

 

[DarkandStormy]

What's so frustrating about posters like yourself, is, there is a formula to a winning hockey team, it's not all about offense all the time! Why do you not get that? You need the right amount of offense, forecheckers, snarl, fight, danglers, bangers, defensive guys. Why do you, and a lot of people really on here, only put value on goals and nothing else when it comes to forwards?? Please help me understand, and don't even mention Boll, this doesn't have a damn thing to do with him.

I put value on goals, assists, scoring/60, Corsi, Fenwick (though less valuable), +/- (also not AS valuable), CF %, etc. Nice try.

 

[ca5150]

13. And it was still more than anyone else, so what's the point of it being a lockout year?

53.3% on faceoffs

I can't even with the rest of your post.

You'll get your wish though, doubt he's back.

Like I said, he's nothing great on the faceoffs, 53% is not a great stat, the best guys are around 60% or high 50's. He's just OK at everything, doesn't really excel at anything...

 

[Fro]

I think my preferable opening day roster would look something like this:

Foligno-Johansen-Atkinson
Jenner-Dubinsky-Anisimov
Hartnell-Wennberg-Dano
Calvert-Letestu-Morin
Borque
Clarkson

Johnson-Savard
Murray-Tyutin
Goloubef-Connauton

Bobrovsky
Cmac

I honestly think the team built as is could do some serious damage in the east next season. While i want us to really do something about our defense, as it really got exposed when we had so much offensive struggles in the beginning due to injuries. But with a healthy offense it will take a lot of pressure off the defense. And if Murray can stay healthy he'll have a major impact next season. I think MacElhinney is a more than capable backup and he showed it after having a rough start. The team as is should make the playoffs. I really dont see any big moves being made unless Jarmo is going to package picks and prospects for a NHL player.

If we're not making any trades...then yeah, I like that line up...I still think Arty and one of the dmen are traded for an upgrade

Did Boll wink at your girlfriend one time or something? jesus...

did he once wink at you? only way to explain your love affair

I put value on goals, assists, scoring/60, Corsi, Fenwick (though less valuable), +/- (also not AS valuable), CF %, etc. Nice try.

exactly...

 

[CBJx614]

What's so frustrating about posters like yourself, is, there is a formula to a winning hockey team, it's not all about offense all the time! Why do you not get that? You need the right amount of offense, forecheckers, snarl, fight, danglers, bangers, defensive guys. Why do you, and a lot of people really on here, only put value on goals and nothing else when it comes to forwards?? Please help me understand, and don't even mention Boll, this doesn't have a damn thing to do with him.

Because our lineup is littered with all of that, and a lot of our players have majority of those qualities. Dubinsky is one of the best forcheckers around, but hes also a playmaker and pretty damn good defensively. And so is most of the roster. But thats the thing, we dont have just one guy whose just a goal scorer. And when we made the playoffs it was when we were rolling all 4 lines and all 4 lines were contributing in every aspect of the game. The 4th line this season was abysmal and didnt do anything to put up points. Really it was the whole bottom 6 that struggled.

But that style of play makes up for our lack of defensive defenseman because majority of our offense is made up of two way players. And i think that really got exposed this season.

 

[ca5150]

I put value on goals, assists, scoring/60, Corsi, Fenwick (though less valuable), +/- (also not AS valuable), CF %, etc. Nice try.

Advanced stats are cute, worth a peak, but far too much value is put on that. hockey isn't about stats so much as chemistry and the right amount of each intangible and tangible. It doesn't surprise me at all that the biggest whiners about fighting and physical players are stat geeks that put all value in corsi and fenwick and all that ********* and nothing on understanding the workings of a team. why doesn't football just line up 10 wide receivers on offense and have a free for all??

 

[ca5150]

I put value on goals, assists, scoring/60, Corsi, Fenwick (though less valuable), +/- (also not AS valuable), CF %, etc. Nice try.

and zero value on hitting, checking, forecheking, fighting, defensive forwards, etc.

no surprise at all...online hockey 'experts' that learned the game like it's a calculus class

 

[Fro]

and zero value on hitting, checking, forecheking, fighting, defensive forwards, etc.

no surprise at all...online hockey 'experts' that learned the game like it's a calculus class

what you're clueless on is how forchecking and puck possession are in those stats...

 

[ca5150]

Because our lineup is littered with all of that, and a lot of our players have majority of those qualities. Dubinsky is one of the best forcheckers around, but hes also a playmaker and pretty damn good defensively. And so is most of the roster. But thats the thing, we dont have just one guy whose just a goal scorer. And when we made the playoffs it was when we were rolling all 4 lines and all 4 lines were contributing in every aspect of the game. The 4th line this season was abysmal and didnt do anything to put up points. Really it was the whole bottom 6 that struggled.

But that style of play makes up for our lack of defensive defenseman because majority of our offense is made up of two way players. And i think that really got exposed this season.

I agree, our 4th line of Chaput and Collins, Boll was garbage and had zero chemistry. When Calvert is with any line, they are instantly better, I would have loved to see a Calvert, DMac and Boll line.

 

[ca5150]

what you're clueless on is how forchecking and puck possession are in those stats...

Those stats are ALL about shots for and against and that's not the stats I listed off, hitting, forechecking, fighting, backchecking, those don't factor in there at all. You could have a line that's wearing out the other teams star players, pounding them with hits and leaning on them and that wouldn't show up in your cute little corsi stats. You can have an extremely effective 4th line that never touches the puck but beats the **** out of the other teams top lines.

 

[Cowumbus]

and zero value on hitting, checking, forecheking, fighting, defensive forwards, etc.

no surprise at all...online hockey 'experts' that learned the game like it's a calculus class

Sounds like you're describing Letestu.. With Letestu you get all that and goals and assists. It's weird to think every team dosent need a Donald Brashear anymore but times have changed. You can get that edge with people who have skill as well (Matt Martin, Cal Clutterbuck even Dmack had skill and Dorsette could still get points)

But hey maybe we do need a guy averaging 1.51 penalty mins a game, on pace for 6 points, a minus 13, a shooting percentage of 3.6.. He's the guy we need for our cup run

 

[ca5150]

Sounds like you're describing Letestu.. With Letestu you get all that and goals and assists. It's weird to think every team dosent need a Donald Brashear anymore but times have changed. You can get that edge with people who have skill as well (Matt Martin, Cal Clutterbuck even Dmack had skill and Dorsette could still get points)

But hey maybe we do need a guy averaging 1.51 penalty mins a game, on pace for 6 points, a minus 13, a shooting percentage of 3.6.. He's the guy we need for our cup run

I loved Dorse, I would have kept him and dumped Boll if given the chance. and you are skewing the PIM stat, if you take the major penalties out, he doesn't even average .5 PIM per game. Find me a fighter that can score and I'll be happy to dump Boll.

But this isn't about Boll, it's about why people only want offense from all 12 positions. Letestu isn't a 4th line guy, he's a third line guy on a team that's weak at center, like we used to be...

 

[ca5150]

Sounds like you're describing Letestu.. With Letestu you get all that and goals and assists. It's weird to think every team dosent need a Donald Brashear anymore but times have changed. You can get that edge with people who have skill as well (Matt Martin, Cal Clutterbuck even Dmack had skill and Dorsette could still get points)

But hey maybe we do need a guy averaging 1.51 penalty mins a game, on pace for 6 points, a minus 13, a shooting percentage of 3.6.. He's the guy we need for our cup run

Letestu is responsible but I would hardly say he hits, checks and/or forechecks

 

[Fro]

was out on NHLCapSpace (I miss CapGeek...RIP) looking at possible cap targets for defensemen...and eash....there isn't much worth a damn that either aren't a) young, good, and cost controlled or b) getting old and are overpaid...

no wonder Pitt/LA/Bos/Phil/Car/Det are having a hard time making the playoffs/regressing...there's not much "good" out there...


keep coming back to Dion Phaneuf at 5m as the "best" option to trade for...but no clue what...

 

[ca5150]

was out on NHLCapSpace (I miss CapGeek...RIP) looking at possible cap targets for defensemen...and eash....there isn't much worth a damn that either aren't a) young, good, and cost controlled or b) getting old and are overpaid...

no wonder Pitt/LA/Bos/Phil/Car/Det are having a hard time making the playoffs/regressing...there's not much "good" out there...


keep coming back to Dion Phaneuf at 5m as the "best" option to trade for...but no clue what...

I would rather have Mike Green, but I wouldn't be opposed to Dion, I like his snarl but we would have to dump Tyutin for sure to bring in another defensive type guy. I think our biggest weakness on the back end is offensive D

 

[Double-Shift Lasse]

was out on NHLCapSpace (I miss CapGeek...RIP) looking at possible cap targets for defensemen...and eash....there isn't much worth a damn that either aren't a) young, good, and cost controlled or b) getting old and are overpaid...

no wonder Pitt/LA/Bos/Phil/Car/Det are having a hard time making the playoffs/regressing...there's not much "good" out there...


keep coming back to Dion Phaneuf at 5m as the "best" option to trade for...but no clue what...

I just did this but no one was interested to talk about it. I said it was a working list, with some possible misses.

Trade targets on D?

Hjalmarsson
Ellis
Yandle/Girardi
Burns
Coburn
Hamhuis
Buff
Letang (DSL's pipe dream)
Vlasic (Viqsi's pipe dream)


UFA targets?

Sekera
McQuaid
Franson
Ehrhoff


Have given no thought to handedness and little to salary and little to whether or not player might actually be acquirable via trade. Also, some of those trade targets aren't "shooting high enough" depending on how much people are willing to offer.

 

[EspenK]

I think DSL has a good working list and I would add Mike Green and OEL to it.

On a pipe dream level I guess I'd add Seth Jones.

Problems I see with obtaining any of these guys is cost. $ cost for the UFA's plus the usual why Columbus reasons. Personnel cost, and in some cases $ too, for the signed guys. It would take a lot of prospect and draft picks plus probably a roster player to obtain most of the guys. No problem including one of our D but who among the F's do we trade except Arty, who as a guy with only one year left is not all that attractive. Cam maybe but he does put up .5 pts per game for his career. And if we trade Cam who takes his place?

Good D-men are hard to come by and therefore why would teams want to trade them?

 

[BluejacketNut]

The little options for dmen out there was why I was bothered by the Wiz trade without a suitable replacement. To acquire a top 4 defensman through either trade or FA is going to cost a TON, much more then a mid range shot prospect and a pick or 2

 

[DarkandStormy]

I loved Dorse, I would have kept him and dumped Boll if given the chance. and you are skewing the PIM stat, if you take the major penalties out, he doesn't even average .5 PIM per game. Find me a fighter that can score and I'll be happy to dump Boll.

But this isn't about Boll, it's about why people only want offense from all 12 positions. Letestu isn't a 4th line guy, he's a third line guy on a team that's weak at center, like we used to be...

Wouldn't that, um, make him a PREMIUM on the 4th line? Sheesh

 

[Double-Shift Lasse]

I think DSL has a good working list and I would add Mike Green and OEL to it.

I'd probably take Hamhuis off. I forgot he was from BC, so he's essentially home.

And yeah some of those guys would take a lot in trade, but I think CBJ has it to offer, if they can get the $$ worked out, i.e. send some salary back in the form of (most likely) Anisimov. Jarmo, I don't think, will make a trade with this year's first-rounder, but he has three high-end forward prospects in Rychel, Bjorkstrand and Milano...

Not gonna spend all morning coming up with trades for all of those d-men. The list needs some work before that much trade/asset detail.

 

[Fro]

yeah, you came to same conclusions as I ...

 

[DarkandStormy]

Like I said, he's nothing great on the faceoffs, 53% is not a great stat, the best guys are around 60% or high 50's. He's just OK at everything, doesn't really excel at anything...

There is literally one regular center who is at 60% in the ENTIRE LEAGUE.

You do know over 50% means he wins more than he loses...