Who is more dominant in their sport: Ohtani, McDavid or Mahomes?

[PensandCaps]

It is just one game. Sam Gagner had an 8 point night one time. When you go on his whole season, it looks quite normal when stacking against greatest seasons of all time. He has ~.300 OBP compared to like bonds who had ~.600 in his best seasons. He isn't going to break RBI records or home run records. I would say those are the most important stats for evaluating a player objectively.

He ain't gonna break any home run records because he came over late.

He's the most dominant athlete ever. No one has done what he's done.

 

[Fatass]

Is this poll about who has won the most championships?

The greatest define themselves by championships. You might not, but they do. That’s how they compare themselves to the other greats in their sports. McDavid has no championships. Imo he ranks himself lower than the other greats who have led their clubs to championships. Same for Ohtani and all the greats.
The greats are the best. They separate Themselves into tiers by championships. That’s how they think.

He ain't gonna break any home run records because he came over late.

He's the most dominant athlete ever. No one has done what he's done.

Secretariat of baseball.

 

[PensandCaps]

The greatest define themselves by championships. You might not, but they do. That’s how they compare themselves to the other greats in their sports. McDavid has no championships. Imo he ranks himself lower than the other greats who have led their clubs to championships. Same for Ohtani and all the greats.
The greats are the best. They separate Themselves into tiers by championships. That’s how they think.


Secretariat of baseball.

He literally does it all. He can be your #1 ace, the best hitter in the league, and all while swiping 50 bases. Insane.

The one knock is that he doesn't play the field. But I bet he could, just makes sense to keep him out of harms way at DH.

 

[Romang67]

The greatest define themselves by championships. You might not, but they do. That’s how they compare themselves to the other greats in their sports. McDavid has no championships. Imo he ranks himself lower than the other greats who have led their clubs to championships. Same for Ohtani and all the greats.
The greats are the best. They separate Themselves into tiers by championships. That’s how they think.


Secretariat of baseball.

That would be an extremely reductive and shallow argument if this discussion was with regards to players in the same sport. When discussing players in different sports, I'd wager it's wilfully ignorant.

 

[bambamcam4ever]

Ohtani might be the greatest all-around baseball player of a time. Neither McDavid or Mahomes are on that trajectory.

By this I assume you mean the best pitcher/hitter? There have been quite a few better position players...

 

[Bounces R Way]

Blows my f***ing mind Mahomes is 3rd in this poll.

NFL QB is by far the hardest position in all of pro sports. At least in team pro sports. On every given down you have nearly 1100lbs of lineman trying to put you down. You have to read a defense in less time than it takes to flush a toilet. Then you have to have the athleticism to actually hit your moving target with this ball accurately from sometimes 50-60yds away. This guy makes it look like he's dicking around at the park with his buddies. He's actually won the whole thing with his team three times now which is the penultimate goal of participating.

I don't even like the guy all that much and but he clears Shohei and McD easily.

 

[Larry Hanson]

An award voted on by players never holds merit, they play too many games to follow the league in a meaningful way and just go based on their matchups with them. They are also the most likely to allow bias to affect their vote, and their vote is held to the least scrutiny.

As opposed to the so called journalists like Staples who have no clue, or that guy who voted Draisaitl for the Selke, or that Montreal jackass who left the Art Ross and Rocket winner off his Hart ballot so his local guy could win?
I'll take the players choice thanks.

 

[TheKrebsCycle]

Ohtani even more so now ; he’s exploded since this was initially posted . Historic season . Imagine he does this while also being a pitching ace ….just make believe stuff .

 

[amnesiac]

Blows my f***ing mind Mahomes is 3rd in this poll.

NFL QB is by far the hardest position in all of pro sports. At least in team pro sports. On every given down you have nearly 11,000lbs of lineman trying to put you down. You have to read a defense in less time than it takes to flush a toilet. Then you have to have the athleticism to actually hit your moving target with this ball accurately from sometimes 50-60yds away. This guy makes it look like he's dicking around at the park with his buddies. He's actually won the whole thing with his team three times now which is the penultimate goal of participating.

I don't even like the guy all that much and but he clears Shohei and McD easily.

I agree QB is the most difficult position athletically, but playing 17 games a year followed by 1 game playoffs does not compare to NHL and MLB.

Plus QBs are a lot more protected today, which is a big advantage for him. McDavid had been playing in a 30+ team league, cap era, and lower scoring era than Gretz and Mario. Shohei is obviously all about the dual position, and many say hitting a major league pitch is actually the most difficult thing (skill) in all sports. Him winning MVP is almost automatic when hes pitching and hitting, and when hes not pitching, he'll still win as a DH! Mahomes has only won it twice in 6 years. That isnt "dominance".

Im not saying Mahomes is just lucky in the playoffs, he does bring it when it matters most, but if they played best of 7s, would he still have all those SBs?

 

[Leafidelity]

By this I assume you mean the best pitcher/hitter? There have been quite a few better position players...

Pitcher/Hitter/Baserunner. Nobody is going to touch 51 homeruns / 51 stolen bases for a long long time.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

Blows my f***ing mind Mahomes is 3rd in this poll.

NFL QB is by far the hardest position in all of pro sports. At least in team pro sports. On every given down you have nearly 11,000lbs of lineman trying to put you down. You have to read a defense in less time than it takes to flush a toilet. Then you have to have the athleticism to actually hit your moving target with this ball accurately from sometimes 50-60yds away. This guy makes it look like he's dicking around at the park with his buddies. He's actually won the whole thing with his team three times now which is the penultimate goal of participating.

I don't even like the guy all that much and but he clears Shohei and McD easily.

Mahomes doesn’t even deserve to be on this poll tbh. QB is the most team-dependent position .

Also hitting a major league pitch is harder than throwing an NFL pass.

 

[Crow]

Mahomes is Michael Jordan in a sport as physically impossible as football.


Ohtani, amazing as he is, is a baseball player.

McDavid plays in a sport who’s top professional league has 10 black players.

It’s Mahomes.

Ignoring the weird shit at the end, what makes football physically impossible?

 

[HarrySPlinkett]

Ignoring the weird shit at the end, what makes football physically impossible?

The physically devastating nature of the game relative to other sports.

 

[OilersFanatics505]

Ohtani by a country mile.

He’s the equivalent of an NHLer who can play both goalie and forward at pinnacle elite level. The dude is a unicorn.

Of McDavid played goalie to the level of Vasi.

The physically devastating nature of the game relative to other sports.

QBs are protected just like goalies are.

 

[Crow]

The physically devastating nature of the game relative to other sports.

At quarterback? They play once a week, protected by freaks. They play less actually because of the bye or possible byes. Hockey players play 82 games sometimes two nights in a row. Hockey is far more physically demanding to me than quarterback. The potential for injury is much higher in hockey.

 

[Dfence033]

Very surprised by the voting in this. The question was “dominant,” not “unique.” How is Ohtani, while having a great season, considered more dominant than McDavid or Mahomes?

Mahomes has the Super Bowl wins, and is leading the NFL in passing yards per game, passing TDs, and is the 2nd in QBR since he came into the league.

McDavid has led the league in scoring outright 5 times in 8 years (not counting his injured rookie season as a full). He leads the league in scoring since he played his first game, beating 2nd place by nearly 13%, despite playing fewer games. Leads the league in assist by 16%, despite playing fewer games. Leads the league in game winning goals. Just posted arguably the best post season performance ever - and almost unquestionably the best in a loss ever. Leads the league in PPG by 12% over that time.

Ohtani, while having a great season, doesn’t play in the field and isn’t pitching this season. He’s currently (as of today) in 5th in baseball in WAR, with a reasonable chance he finishes 6th with Soto right behind him, and a full 20% behind 1st (Judge). He’s unique and very good, but the other two have been FAR more dominant in their sports.

 

[HarrySPlinkett]

Of McDavid played goalie to the level of Vasi.


QBs are protected just like goalies are.

No they aren’t.

The hits quarterbacks take would end a goalie’s career.

 

[Nathaniel Skywalker]

Ohtani is an elite ace level pitcher while also being a batting beast. Him ainec

Ohtani
Mahomes
Mcdavid

 

[Dfence033]

He ain't gonna break any home run records because he came over late.

He's the most dominant athlete ever. No one has done what he's done.

He wasn’t going to anyway. Unless you prorate his 162 game average (all done over almost certainly “prime” years) for 19 fully healthy season in a row. Which is why it’s ridiculous to say he’s in this pantheon of player.

And yes, a player has done this before - not the 50/50 thing, that’s unique. But the near universal GOAT player has the top 3 WAR seasons for a position player of all time, and 6 of the top 13. And that guy was actually a pitcher for one of those seasons, too.

The only other player in baseball history with 2 of the top 15 seasons is Barry Bonds. One of those two is highly considered the most egregious steroid abused season ever. Ohtani has currently logged the 20th best WAR season for position players… of currently active players. It’s not even the same category despite its marketing uniqueness.

Edit: And just to clarify, it’s only “unique” because of the fascination with round numbers (50). Ronald Acuna Jr. had 41 HRs and 73 stolen bases last season. I don’t think it’s a hard argument to say that’s equally as impressive, as no player ever had 40+ HR and 60+ stolen bases before, either.

 

[LokiDog]

When you have a 7 year career that features 3 championships, 3 playoff MVPs, 2 regular season MVPs and a 4th finals appearance where you lost to the greatest player at your position of all time, otherwise you would have 4 championships and 4 playoff MVPs in 7 years… it’s tough to argue. Yes, they’re all team sports, but if there is a position that can drag a team to the promised land, it’s QB. Mahomes is getting the short end of the stick here. And I’m almost exclusively a hockey fan.

 

[Dfence033]

When you have a 7 year career that features 3 championships, 3 playoff MVPs, 2 regular season MVPs and a 4th finals appearance where you lost to the greatest player at your position of all time, otherwise you would have 4 championships and 4 playoff MVPs in 7 years… it’s tough to argue. Yes, they’re all team sports, but if there is a position that can drag a team to the promised land, it’s QB. Mahomes is getting the short end of the stick here. And I’m almost exclusively a hockey fan.

Agreed. If anything, QBs are being generally devalued. Comments like being the “most team dependent.” Unlike baseball, where as a DH, you impact the game roughly 6% of the total time played, and hockey, where even the best players are able to impact the game ~30% of the total time played, QBs are on the field affecting 50%+ of the game.

I’ve yet to see a terrible QB in the modern era look great because of the offense around them. But I’ve seen otherwise mediocre offenses put up points like it was backyard football with Tom Brady, Drew Brees, Peyton Manning, and Patrick Mahones under center.

I’ve seen teams with amazing depth get trounced in the NHL playoffs regularly because they lacked a game-changer at 1C (Rangers and Predators regularly). But we also just saw an all-time great game-changer at 1C not be able to carry 11 other forwards and 18 other skaters to a championship despite one of the greatest post season performances ever.

I’ve never seen a DH single handedly carry 8 other batters and a pitcher in a full playoff series. And we never will.

In order of direct impact on the game, I don’t see how anyone could argue QB, #1C, DH in any other order.

Couple that with the uniqueness of 50/50 being about the #50 itself (again, a player just last season became the first ever to have a 40/60 and 40/70 season without nearly as much fanfare), and I don’t see how Ohtani is not just winning, but running away with this. I have him a very distant 3rd. The other two are at least in solid argument for the best of their generation. Ohtani isn’t even in the top 3 position players this year.

 

[John Mandalorian]

The greatest define themselves by championships. You might not, but they do. That’s how they compare themselves to the other greats in their sports. McDavid has no championships. Imo he ranks himself lower than the other greats who have led their clubs to championships. Same for Ohtani and all the greats.
The greats are the best. They separate Themselves into tiers by championships. That’s how they think.


Secretariat of baseball.

Not even close. Secretariat has the fastest time in each of the triple crown races.

 

[Gurglesons]

Yeah I took Mahomes.

 

[Sabre the Win]

People asking who is Ohtani is insane to me. He's a once in a lifetime player. Hands down the answer is Ohtani and it's not even close. There is a reason he got paid 700 million.

 

[John Mandalorian]

Yeah I took Mahomes.

The poll results are both bizarre and ignorant. Yes, hitting is one of the most difficult things in all of sports. But that doesn’t mean it impacts winning the way playing QB at a high level does. Some of the comments in here are just laughable.