Prospect Info: Who does LA pick #2? Part 2 To Byfield or to Stutzle? That is the question

[Stimpythecat]

With that many picks, the kings will be pushing the 50 contract limit if not this year then next year.

I'd package 2 or even 3 2nd round picks to see if anyone is willing to trade a 1st for them.

 

[Mats26]

There is a 99.9% chance we are not picking 11 players this draft.

 

[King'sPawn]

I saw the video of the rankings where Byfield was ranked No. 6. I had some criticisms, not about the ranking, but how the analysis was applied differently.

So, he lists all the great things about No. 7, 8, 9, and 10. Might give a comment as to why he doesn't rank them higher, but it's mostly good.

Gets to Byfield at 6.

Good: has upside
Comments about him:
- has size (that he doesn't fully use)
- is younger than the rest of the draft (but who cares)
- the OHL defense is unstructured, which he capitalized off of (though this wasn't used against any other OHL player in the ranking)
- didn't look good on the big stage
- apparently doesn't pay attention to rankings but references how upset viewers may be that Byfield's not top-2?

He spent the entire segment ****ting on Byfield to defend his ranking than to provide an even-handed, honest approach and analysis.

It comes across as disingenuous at best. Who would spend a 6th overall pick on an oversized player who takes advantage of weak defense but fails at the big stage? Upside? In what?

And I say this as someone who would be happy with Stutzle at No. 2 for LA, too.

After all this he returns to the Top-5 and how they're his favorites.

Edit: It's not even about ranking Byfield sixth. It was just an unfair presentation and analysis relative to the other 9.

God forbid you criticize analysis for being unevenly applied and a poor presentation.

It's the first time I saw a video of that channel and likely the last.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

How to Watch the 2020 NHL Draft

Kings own the following picks:

Round	Pick
1	2
2	35
2	50
2	59
3	65
3	82
4	96
4	111
5	127
6	158
7	189

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

 

[yankeeking]

Evangelists would be nice too,seems he goes anywhere from late first to 58

 

[funky]

Evangelists would be nice too,seems he goes anywhere from late first to 58

looks like the kid got less of an opportunity than others on the team and did whatever was asked of him and did it well. He could be a guy that sees an offensive explosion next season. I like him as well

 

[Schrute farms]

Considering the difficulty in moving up from 2nd round into first, it’s probably more likely we see our 3rds & 4ths used as capital to move our latter 2nds up. Maybe we can move #59 up 20 or so spots. Or use 65 + 82 and possibly a 4th to get another prime 2nd rounder. So many options available.

 

[KingsOfCali25]

Considering the difficulty in moving up from 2nd round into first, it’s probably more likely we see our 3rds & 4ths used as capital to move our latter 2nds up. Maybe we can move #59 up 20 or so spots. Or use 65 + 82 and possibly a 4th to get another prime 2nd rounder. So many options available.

Actually I think this season will be very easy to move around. With the limited cap space for the next 3 years; I think teams will be more willing to move around to move some cap space too.

I really hope LA makes a play to move back up to get someone that falls like Jarvis or Peterka.

 

[AnThGrt]

Actually I think this season will be very easy to move around. With the limited cap space for the next 3 years; I think teams will be more willing to move around to move some cap space too.

I really hope LA makes a play to move back up to get someone that falls like Jarvis or Peterka.

Wrong German. Reichel. Jarvis goes top 15 and we won't be able to get that high. Fair chance Reichel goes top 20 too yet Peterka we may be able to move up with our own 2nd or draft him there. Multiple I'd prefer to him, albeit if at 35 I wouldn't be remotely upset with the pick. Still few others I'd prefer there.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

A look at Byfield's Hlinka tourney, one which many people were saying he had a bad one/wasn't good enough, simply because Perfetti and Lapierre had higher point totals I guess.



I see a guy who created a lot of chances for others AND himself and was eager to make defensive plays too.

 

[KINGS17]

A look at Byfield's Hlinka tourney, one which many people were saying he had a bad one/wasn't good enough, simply because Perfetti and Lapierre had higher point totals I guess.



I see a guy who created a lot of chances for others AND himself and was eager to make defensive plays too.

I see a guy who should be wearing Forum Blue and Gold for 10-15 years.

 

[KINGS17]

Wrong thread.

 

[cyclones22]

That size, skating, reach and skill is just too enticing. A little more than 2 weeks to go before we find out if he'll be wearing a Kings jersey or not.

 

[Sleeping Dog]

I see a guy who should be wearing Forum Blue and Gold for 10-15 years.

Are we going back to those colors? Either way, I sure hope the Kings chose QB.

 

[LAKings88]

I still want Byfield but part of me still likes Stuetzle as well.

Man, hope we get some decent reports going into the draft week.

 

[Guitpik]

That size, skating, reach and skill is just too enticing. A little more than 2 weeks to go before we find out if he'll be wearing a Kings jersey or not.

And, he's got a heluva motor.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

A look at Byfield's Hlinka tourney, one which many people were saying he had a bad one/wasn't good enough, simply because Perfetti and Lapierre had higher point totals I guess.



I see a guy who created a lot of chances for others AND himself and was eager to make defensive plays too.

People actually criticized his play there? Which morons said that? I'd like to know so that I won't waste any time reading their reports.

As for Byfield at the Hlinka Gretzky Cup, he was the youngest skater on Canada's roster and finished third in goal scoring and points. Byfield was still 16 during those games and wouldn't turn 17 for another nine days after the conclusion of the tournament.

Also worth noting he was listed at 6'4" and 215 before turning 17. Now imagine how much strong and explosive he's going to get as he physically matures. That's something that is being overlooked.

This isn't some Brian Boyle or Dave Steckel or Hugh Jessiman like skater who's a project that needs tons of work on his skating.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Whoever lands Askarov on day one is going to get themselves a hell of a goaltender. Very Quick like agility.

 

[KINGS17]

Whoever lands Askarov on day one is going to get themselves a hell of a goaltender. Very Quick like agility.

He will be known as "The Czar".

 

[NA Hockey]

People actually criticized his play there? Which morons said that? I'd like to know so that I won't waste any time reading their reports.

As for Byfield at the Hlinka Gretzky Cup, he was the youngest skater on Canada's roster and finished third in goal scoring and points. Byfield was still 16 during those games and wouldn't turn 17 for another nine days after the conclusion of the tournament.

Also worth noting he was listed at 6'4" and 215 before turning 17. Now imagine how much strong and explosive he's going to get as he physically matures. That's something that is being overlooked.

This isn't some Brian Boyle or Dave Steckel or Hugh Jessiman like skater who's a project that needs tons of work on his skating.

People criticized his play there because he did not meet the huge expectations. He was coming off a CHL Rookie of the year season he was the most high profile player on the Canadian team and while he played well, he was nowhere near the dominant force people expected of him playing against his own age group. 5 points in 5 games is good production but given the amount of ice time, opportunity and PP play time he received , he did not meet expectations, not even close. He wasn't anywhere close to be the best player on Team Canada let alone in the tournament as many expected or predicted.

Again he played well but well or "ok" is not really ok for a prospect of this calibre in many peoples eyes.

Being the youngest doesn't really matter at all when you are playing within your birth year. Over multi age groups it can make a huge difference like it did in his WJC performance, but at the Hlinka it was for the 2002 born players or younger, so there were plenty of players in the tournament younger than him or within a few months of him. also, when you are the biggest player in the tournament a few months doesn't make a difference either.

BTW, I love Byfield and think the Kings should select him, but that doesn't mean everything he does is perfect.

 

[Steve Zissou]

A look at Byfield's Hlinka tourney, one which many people were saying he had a bad one/wasn't good enough, simply because Perfetti and Lapierre had higher point totals I guess.



I see a guy who created a lot of chances for others AND himself and was eager to make defensive plays too.

Moreso than Malkin, I see a Kopitar replacement. Even Byfield mentions his two-way game as his strength.

 

[FrozenKing18]

Whoever lands Askarov on day one is going to get themselves a hell of a goaltender. Very Quick like agility.

That split-kick is very Quick-ish. He’s going to be fun to watch!

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

People criticized his play there because he did not meet the huge expectations. He was coming off a CHL Rookie of the year season he was the most high profile player on the Canadian team and while he played well, he was nowhere near the dominant force people expected of him playing against his own age group. 5 points in 5 games is good production but given the amount of ice time, opportunity and PP play time he received , he did not meet expectations, not even close. He wasn't anywhere close to be the best player on Team Canada let alone in the tournament as many expected or predicted.

Again he played well but well or "ok" is not really ok for a prospect of this calibre in many peoples eyes.

Being the youngest doesn't really matter at all when you are playing within your birth year. Over multi age groups it can make a huge difference like it did in his WJC performance, but at the Hlinka it was for the 2002 born players or younger, so there were plenty of players in the tournament younger than him or within a few months of him. also, when you are the biggest player in the tournament a few months doesn't make a difference either.

BTW, I love Byfield and think the Kings should select him, but that doesn't mean everything he does is perfect.

Do you think that perhaps too much stock is put into these tournaments, a mistake we've seen repeated many times over with WJC performances?

I looked back at the leading scorers and notable names who struggled at previous Hlinka Gretzky tournaments, and well, you'll be surprised to see some of these results. Notably, Malkin put up 4 points in 4 games at the 2003 Hlinka Gretzky Cup. For a player who was as highly touted as he was, he'd also fit your description of being a disappointment in that particular tournament.

Here are a few others who had average to below average numbers.

Elite Prospects - Hlinka Gretzky Cup Stats 2014-2015
Former #2 pick Patrick Laine scored a single goal.
Former first rounder Anthony Beauvillier didn't register a single point and he's turned out okay.

Elite Prospects - Hlinka Gretzky Cup Stats 2015-2016
Pierre-Luc Dubois was 37th in scoring with only 3 assists, ended up going 3rd overall.

Elite Prospects - Hlinka Gretzky Cup Stats 2017-2018
The highly touted Jesperi Kotkaniemi who went 3rd overall only scored 4 points, 21st in scoring.

Elite Prospects - Hlinka Gretzky Cup Stats 2018-2019
Dylan Cozens put up similar numbers as Byfield did in the most recent tournament, and that didn't impact his standing as a highly touted prospect heading into his draft year.

Byfield finished 7th overall in scoring at the tournament. Look at the scoring leaders at most of the previous tournaments, they're mostly nobodies or haven't lived up to expectations. I don't think it's wise or fair to these kids to heavily weigh their play in these brief tournaments. This is how some guys get way overhyped, or even undersold. I much prefer looking at the overall picture of how a player performed regularly throughout an entire season versus a small sample size.

 

[Legionnaire]

Whoever lands Askarov on day one is going to get themselves a hell of a goaltender. Very Quick like agility.

He's 3rd on my list. Not that I have an official list or anything.

 

[NA Hockey]

Do you think that perhaps too much stock is put into these tournaments, a mistake we've seen repeated many times over with WJC performances?

I looked back at the leading scorers and notable names who struggled at previous Hlinka Gretzky tournaments, and well, you'll be surprised to see some of these results. Notably, Malkin put up 4 points in 4 games at the 2003 Hlinka Gretzky Cup. For a player who was as highly touted as he was, he'd also fit your description of being a disappointment in that particular tournament.

Here are a few others who had average to below average numbers.

Elite Prospects - Hlinka Gretzky Cup Stats 2014-2015
Former #2 pick Patrick Laine scored a single goal.
Former first rounder Anthony Beauvillier didn't register a single point and he's turned out okay.

Elite Prospects - Hlinka Gretzky Cup Stats 2015-2016
Pierre-Luc Dubois was 37th in scoring with only 3 assists, ended up going 3rd overall.

Elite Prospects - Hlinka Gretzky Cup Stats 2017-2018
The highly touted Jesperi Kotkaniemi who went 3rd overall only scored 4 points, 21st in scoring.

Elite Prospects - Hlinka Gretzky Cup Stats 2018-2019
Dylan Cozens put up similar numbers as Byfield did in the most recent tournament, and that didn't impact his standing as a highly touted prospect heading into his draft year.

Byfield finished 7th overall in scoring at the tournament. Look at the scoring leaders at most of the previous tournaments, they're mostly nobodies or haven't lived up to expectations. I don't think it's wise or fair to these kids to heavily weigh their play in these brief tournaments. This is how some guys get way overhyped, or even undersold. I much prefer looking at the overall picture of how a player performed regularly throughout an entire season versus a small sample size.

I agree with you to a certain extent but you have cherry picked a bunch of examples. Many top players have had success at international events. You are writing off his Hlinka performance, his WJC performance, his U17 World challenge performance and his Top Prospects game performance which is ok I guess. The only thing you are counting is regular season games in the OHL which consists of many games against some very weak competition especially in his conference.

Again, none of this takes away the fact he is a top prospect and the one with the highest ceiling, but you have to acknowledge there has been a lot of average or underwhelming performances a long way.