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Prospect Info: Who does LA pick #2? Part 2 To Byfield or to Stutzle? That is the question

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LAKings88 said:
I still want Byfield but part of me still likes Stuetzle as well.

Man, hope we get some decent reports going into the draft week.
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I’ve been Byfield from the start but Stutzle has been definitely moving up for me. If Tim is that dynamic offense guy who will bring you out of your seat player then he could be more coveted by the Kings too. QB will be a beast but maybe TS is more entertainment?? Either one will be great in LA.
 
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Wheeler's top 100 rankings pretty much hit the nail on the head for me in terms of what concerns me about Stutzle's game translating as well as people think it will.

Folks compare him to Kane, but they ignore the fact that Stutzle is regularly given way more time and space playing where he does compared to Kane at a similar age.

It's also interesting that he notes that his oft quoted height of 6'1" hasn't been independently confirmed, and his Mannheim-listed height is 5'11". I know that's not a huge difference, but I feel like many on the Stutzle train have hung onto the 6'+ argument in trying to point out that he isn't as much of a size drop compared to Byfield when in actuality it seems like he is.
 
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BringTheReign said:
Wheeler's top 100 rankings pretty much hit the nail on the head for me in terms of what concerns me about Stutzle's game translating as well as people think it will.

Folks compare him to Kane, but they ignore the fact that Stutzle is regularly given way more time and space playing where he does compared to Kane at a similar age.

It's also interesting that he notes that his oft quoted height of 6'1" hasn't been independently confirmed, and his Mannheim-listed height is 5'11". I know that's not a huge difference, but I feel like many on the Stutzle train have hung onto the 6'+ argument in trying to point out that he isn't as much of a size drop compared to Byfield when in actuality it seems like he is.
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That's enough of a difference that some people use to claim Rossi can't play in the NHL at C, so.
 
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RocketKing said:
I’ve been Byfield from the start but Stutzle has been definitely moving up for me. If Tim is that dynamic offense guy who will bring you out of your seat player then he could be more coveted by the Kings too. QB will be a beast but maybe TS is more entertainment?? Either one will be great in LA.
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I was in the Stutzle camp, but moving towards Byfield. So I am still with you at the Stutzle level of appreciation. Both are highly skilled, great skaters, dynamic...Byfield's : 7 months younger, size, and shot are superior....but Stutzle's elusiveness, edge in playmaking, ability to run a PP and innate top 1% ability to be a full second (which is massive - to even 2 seconds ahead of average peer ) to read and make plays. Everyone with skill can make those close, tic tac toe, give and go passes on 2 on 1's that are a thing of beauty...mostly 2 players 10-15 feet apart, but Stutzle makes those type of plays from 20-30 feet from a teammate. He's skating into the zone, gets a pass and makes a pass off the pass to a teammate 30 feet away (that you, yourself do not even see in the video) 90% of players can't do that, as they take a second to be aware of that option and that option sometimes is too late to become an option. Will he be able to do that in the NHL? Yes. It will take time and adjustment...and the 5'11" or 6'1" thing? The MIND AND PUCK move fastest....Stutzle's mind is elite. He moves fast (said to be best skater in draft) his brain processes fast and he moves pucks at elite level. Most any player cannot improve that much in how fast their brain processes. They may be able to position themselves better, improve awareness, but few have that Gretzky ability to process a step ahead. Stutzle has it. Does that make him superior to Byfield? No. But because Byfield is bigger, has a better shot and is 7 months younger make him superior? No.
Both have intriguing packages and wish the Kings could draft both. I'm happy with either one.

People who have seen Stutzle play now, say he's really putting on some muscle and getting bigger. He probably will be 6'0" to 6'1" and 205. It's like Turcotte and Akil Thomas...those guys are packing on serious muscle...Thomas has added 30 lbs since the WJT! There are some photos that have not been posted here (think on Thomas' twitter) that are actually making me say - stop - before you become MacDermid and have too much muscle and bulk to be mobile...ok, not that bad. But Thomas is probably 210 from 175 a yr ago. I think whether it be Byfield, Stutzle...they come to camp and around these young peers that are working out so hard, it becomes a team thing.
 
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you know, the whole thing about Stutzle playing with 30 year old players in the DEL that were AHL players - the defense not great - yada yada yada...has not stopped Draisaitl (yes, Drai skipped and went to WHl) from becoming an elite NHL player...and Moritz Seider, having an amazing year in the AHL. He stepped in and was stellar.

This criticism goes both ways - give Stutzle; Kopitar, Turcotte, Vilardi, Kaliyev to play with and he'll be away from 30 year old AHL hasbeens that can't play at his level and he will excel at
a higher level - at least being able to play the same game with elite talent...certainly more elite than the players he's played with. People underestimate his drive and compete.
And no, NHL defensemen are not going to easily stop him...they said that with the Barzals. The little Quinn Hughes'...no, the elite skaters that are smart, will not be easily stopped.
Most all of the young elite players are not hitting their full stride until 22. Goes for Byfield, Barzal, Makar, whoever. Byfield is 3-4 years from becoming the player he will be...but so is Stutzle.
 
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Peter James Bond III said:
you know, the whole thing about Stutzle playing with 30 year old players in the DEL that were AHL players - the defense not great - yada yada yada...has not stopped Draisaitl (yes, Drai skipped and went to WHl) from becoming an elite NHL player...and Moritz Seider, having an amazing year in the AHL. He stepped in and was stellar.

This criticism goes both ways - give Stutzle; Kopitar, Turcotte, Vilardi, Kaliyev to play with and he'll be away from 30 year old AHL hasbeens that can't play at his level and he will excel at
a higher level - at least being able to play the same game with elite talent...certainly more elite than the players he's played with. People underestimate his drive and compete.
And no, NHL defensemen are not going to easily stop him...they said that with the Barzals. The little Quinn Hughes'...no, the elite skaters that are smart, will not be easily stopped.
Most all of the young elite players are not hitting their full stride until 22. Goes for Byfield, Barzal, Makar, whoever. Byfield is 3-4 years from becoming the player he will be...but so is Stutzle.
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Draisaitl never played DEL though and played three seasons against juniors in the WHL, and he was labeled as a big center who needed work on his skating who needed four full seasons before he became a truly elite center.

He also has mentioned how much of an influence Kopitar has had and has looked up to him, as they also got the chance to play together at the World Cup on Team Europe.

I’d say the Sabres (and arguably Florida) regret not taking Draisaitl.
 
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Johnny Utah said:
I think the bottom line is the Kings have a lot of other prospects similar in mold to Stutzle like Madden, Kupari, Turcotte, Fagemo, and Kayilev.

There is no one like Byfield except Vilardi but he plays a bit less physical than Byfield.
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I keep hearing "physicality" with Byfield but I haven't really seen any of that from him. If anything he doesn't use his size to his advantage imo.
 
KingsHockey24 said:
I keep hearing "physicality" with Byfield but I haven't really seen any of that from him. If anything he doesn't use his size to his advantage imo.
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From what I have seen of Byfield, he plays a game similar to that of Kopitar. He doesn't make any big hits, but instead uses his size and reach to protect the puck on offense and defensively to close down angles on the forecheck.
 
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KINGS17 said:
From what I have seen of Byfield, he plays a game similar to that of Kopitar. He doesn't make any big hits, but instead uses his size and reach to protect the puck on offense and defensively to close down angles on the forecheck.
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Very much so.

However if you look at enough footage once in a while he gets grouchy and hits someone and just absolutely obliterates them. I don't expect it to necessarily be a regular part of his game but once he starts realizing the advantage of creating some space for himself by at least bumping...
 
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Raccoon Jesus said:
Very much so.

However if you look at enough footage once in a while he gets grouchy and hits someone and just absolutely obliterates them. I don't expect it to necessarily be a regular part of his game but once he starts realizing the advantage of creating some space for himself by at least bumping...
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Yeah, I would like to see Byfield learn a "cold shoulder" when you are in possession of the puck comes in handy for a guy his size. It's not like the defender has the sole right to initiate contact when you have possession of the puck.
 
Given that information, let's repeatedly focus on Stutzle's warts and keep bringing that up as a concern just as others have done with Byfield.

Can't wait for this wait to be over with. Two more weeks to go...
 
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I still maintain that if Lafreniere were not in this draft class people would be singing a different tune about Byfield, they'd be falling all over themselves fawning about him at #1.

It would still end up being a Hall/Seguin thing with him and Stutzle here down the stretch but instead of talking about Laf as the best thing since sliced bread and Byfield and Stutzle as completely flawed wildcards they'd be fawning all over these dudes.
 
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Ziggy Stardust said:
Given that information, let's repeatedly focus on Stutzle's warts and keep bringing that up as a concern just as others have done with Byfield.
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People rarely if ever bring up any warts about Byfield and when they do it is treated as a massive insult. I went through the prospect threads for both Stutzle and Byfield a while back and I honestly don't know what every one is saying. Stutzle gets ripped apart by damn near everyone, while I rarely if ever see anything negative mentioned about Byfield. The only thing I see is people attacking strawmen like you are doing here, so maybe that is what every one is seeing when they talk about these critiques?

I mean, read the threads on here about who to pick 2nd overall. It is rude as shit the way people are treating Stutzle, yet I see people complain about the negativity regarding Byfield.
 
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