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Right, because it's top 10 lol. He's probably 11-15.Most posts here don't even have Forsling listed. Just as Barkov in the forwards thread
I'm good with it. I heard "Nick Lidstrom." That's all I need to know.Great Value?
Nothing you've said here suggests Oilers fans "wildly overrating", and there is a pretty wide gulf between "good" and "Hasek-like". I think you're moving goalposts a tad. A truly Silovsian feat.![]()
Right, because it's top 10 lol. He's probably 11-15.
I'd be surprised if 1 out of 10 people on this site don't have Barkov as a top 10 player.
It was the crux of the post that I originally responded to:Wtf are you talking about? Nothing in my post “suggests” Oilers fans were wildly overrating him because that wasn’t the crux of what I was talking about and is a minor footnote you’ve harped on for some reason. The posts are there in the series threads for you to gander at your own convenience. I don’t give enough of a shit to convince you that it was a pretty widespread opinion but this entire exchange has been stupid af. I don’t even believe you know what moving goalposts means if you think it applies in this context. Yea there’s a wide gulf between “good” and “Hasek-like”. That’s the whole point. Hence the “some fans wildly overrate him”.
Who's under rating Barkov in 2024 lmao
The difference was wildly overrated by Oilers fans. Silovs made some big stops but he also really struggled with a lot unscreened point shots including a number of Bouchard’s. He actually gave up 2.91 goals more than expected according to NaturalStatTrick, whereas the Oilers goalies combined gave up 1.06 goals more than expected.
I want some of whatever you’re on!1. Cale Makax
2. Adam Fon
3. Miro Heiskanes
4. Quinn Hughei
5. Roman Josy
6. Charlie McAvon
7. Victor Hedmag
8. Gustav Forslinn
9. Rasmus Dahlid
10. Evan Bouchar?
Bouchard has a tendency to make some bone head plays and poor defensive plays, so I can see why people don’t have him higher in lists. If he repeats his season it’ll be hard to leave him off these top 10’s going forward
I can also see how Canucks fans seethe with anger when Bouchard is brought up. Their boy got taken to school by him in the big games.
In this paragraph you start by saying outperforming your expected goals is a bad thing and then you go on to show underperformed your expected goals against is a bad thing lol. Make up your mindThis is even more prevalent when both Hughes and Bouchard were on the ice, where Bouchard had 4 goals despite an individual expected goals of just over 1. He was also on the ice for over 3 more goals in the series than expected, whereas Hughes was on the ice for 3.5 goals fewer than expected. The Oilers were scoring on 15% of their shots at ES when Bouchard was on the ice. The idea that Silov’s was an advantage when it comes to comparing Hughes and Bouchard’s series’ just isn’t true statistically
The weakness in Quinn Hughes game is the reason why this isn't factual. Bouchard's shot is lethal.If Hughes were on Edmonton he would have gotten 100+ points.
They are better offensively than some of the names ahead of them are defensively.Not for anything, but seeing names such as Slavin and Forsling on these Top-10 lists is crazy to me. The way the game is being played these days, mobile defensemen who produce high-end offense while playing very good defense, may be the most important players to a team's success outside of an elite 1C.
Slavin and Forsling do not produce enough offense (37 and 39 points) to be considered Top-10 all-around D in today's game. Granted, these guys are very good in their own end but we're not talking about Rod Langway or Chris Pronger here.
For example, there's zero chance (maybe less than zero) that the Islanders would trade Noah Dobson for Slavin or Forsling.
*raises eyebrows*The weakness in Quinn Hughes game is the reason why this isn't factual. Bouchard's shot is lethal.
They are better offensively than some of the names ahead of them are defensively.
You can't be mediocre to terrible in your own end and still be considered a top-10 all-around D.
Forsling is not some jobbing cobbler but he may not be considered a top 10 defenseman at this time, however Gustav should be well within everyone’s top 15 as he should deservedly be after the performance he displayed in the post season.I can also say there's zero chance Zito would trade Forsling for Dobson. Amazing that Forsling just won the Cup and was a top 5 player for Florida, yet people are treating him like some jobber.
I absolutely love Nucks fans citing PDO and luck after the season their team just had. Just perfect.This is even more prevalent when both Hughes and Bouchard were on the ice, where Bouchard had 4 goals despite an individual expected goals of just over 1. He was also on the ice for over 3 more goals in the series than expected, whereas Hughes was on the ice for 3.5 goals fewer than expected. The Oilers were scoring on 15% of their shots at ES when Bouchard was on the ice. The idea that Silov’s was an advantage when it comes to comparing Hughes and Bouchard’s series’ just isn’t true statistically
Gotta love HFBoards logic and rankings, Bouchard should be punished and de-ranked due to :I like how people are crapping on Dahlin who had 59 pts which was tied for his team lead. Meanwhile Bouchard plays with 2 of the top 5ish players in the league as teammates. Switch them and Dahlin imo is looking far superior to Bouchard. Expecting a defenceman to do really well offensively while playing on a team that produced lower top end pt totals is silly. 59 pts is still a great season for most defenceman.
The only defender who had similar teammate production was Morrissey but WPG being a playoff team is better than non playoff team Buffalo. The rest all have far superior teammates to help get more pts.