Which country has the most annoying fanbase?

[jj cale]

I had never though seen so much complaining on refs, as from Canadians.. so you could add that to their list as well..

Nah, Euro fans take the cake on that one, Swedes may top out the list among them too. When it comes to reffing conspiracies at least.....................Europe is definitely king, no contest you guys have that crown, No one takes that as far or as well, it's almost an art. I suspect the "culture" you have with it comes from Football, that's by best guess anyway.

No one is really in your league there, while the gold on ice may elude your team you can always take solace that you win gold in this department every tournament every year. It's so bad that I have seen fans from there even after they have won gold still bitch about calls that happened during the game or 3 games prior, hell, sometimes even years prior, and show it as some kind of proof they were able to overcome all the obstacles of the rigging because well.............it goes without saying there was cheating. They just consider that to be a fact of life. with them it's not a question of if there was cheating, but how and when.

Now that is a high bar.

It is actually nauseating how far you folks take that stuff, truly sickening every year for fans on this side of the pond.

The "we are the best" stuff goes to Canadians hands down, the ref complaints and the distances to where you will take those complaints, you boys have that one all nailed down.

 

[Hanji]

Nah, Euro fans take the cake on that one, Swedes may top out the list among them too. When it comes to reffing conspiracies at least.....................Europe is definitely king, no contest you guys have that crown, No one takes that as far or as well, it's almost an art. I suspect the "culture" you have with it comes from Football, that's by best guess anyway.

No one is really in your league there, while the gold on ice may elude your team you can always take solace that you win gold in this department every tournament every year. It's so bad that I have seen fans from there even after they have won gold still bitch about calls that happened during the game or 3 games prior, hell, sometimes even years prior, and show it as some kind of proof they were able to overcome all the obstacles of the rigging because well.............it goes without saying there was cheating. They just consider that to be a fact of life. with them it's not a question of if there was cheating, but how and when.

Now that is a high bar.

It is actually nauseating how far you folks take that stuff, truly sickening every year for fans on this side of the pond.

The "we are the best" stuff goes to Canadians hands down, the ref complaints and the distances to where you will take those complaints, you boys have that one all nailed down.

Disagree. I've been to games all over the globe and NHL fans take the cake when it comes to complaining about refs. Not even close. I mean just go visit the NHL board for verification of this. It's everywhere.
But I'm speaking of hockey in general here, not just international tournaments.

 

[SwedishFire]

Nah, Euro fans take the cake on that one, Swedes may top out the list among them too. When it comes to reffing conspiracies at least.....................Europe is definitely king, no contest you guys have that crown, No one takes that as far or as well, it's almost an art. I suspect the "culture" you have with it comes from Football, that's by best guess anyway.

No one is really in your league there, while the gold on ice may elude your team you can always take solace that you win gold in this department every tournament every year. It's so bad that I have seen fans from there even after they have won gold still bitch about calls that happened during the game or 3 games prior, hell, sometimes even years prior, and show it as some kind of proof they were able to overcome all the obstacles of the rigging because well.............it goes without saying there was cheating. They just consider that to be a fact of life. with them it's not a question of if there was cheating, but how and when.

Now that is a high bar.

It is actually nauseating how far you folks take that stuff, truly sickening every year for fans on this side of the pond.

The "we are the best" stuff goes to Canadians hands down, the ref complaints and the distances to where you will take those complaints, you boys have that one all nailed down.

In europa, its very known that north american sours off, if they going to lose a game. Why? Because in europe there is, and always been a fundamental gentlemen, and sportmanship spirit when participating in sports. And in europeans eyes, in former omympics and summit series games, canadians voilating all sorts of fundamental sportmanship and behavoir rules. Thats why, for ex. The russians didnt step out for playing in a game (forgot wich game), slashing Kharlamovs foot when he was TO dominant. Thats in our eyes unsportmanship as in the ugliest way.

Canadianans cant take critic, and swedes is one of theose who stand up for what they seen as vioalting the rules compmetley. Canadians clearly dont like that, they are used to be the ones who decides when someone is going to far or not. They just need to realise that the hockeyworld is bigger than their own country.

So thats why.

But i the end, it makes hockey truly to a war, and swedes never has motivation problems playing canadians.
And a victory over the "rule-less" canadians is sweater than ant victory in our eyes.

 

[jj cale]

In europa, its very known that north american sours off, if they going to lose a game. Why? Because in europe there is, and always been a fundamental gentlemen, and sportmanship spirit when participating in sports. And in europeans eyes, in former omympics and summit series games, canadians voilating all sorts of fundamental sportmanship and behavoir rules. Thats why, for ex. The russians didnt step out for playing in a game (forgot wich game), slashing Kharlamovs foot when he was TO dominant. Thats in our eyes unsportmanship as in the ugliest way.

Canadianans cant take critic, and swedes is one of theose who stand up for what they seen as vioalting the rules compmetley. Canadians clearly dont like that, they are used to be the ones who decides when someone is going to far or not. They just need to realise that the hockeyworld is bigger than their own country.

So thats why.

But i the end, it makes hockey truly to a war, and swedes never has motivation problems playing canadians.
And a victory over the "rule-less" canadians is sweater than ant victory in our eyes.

See what I mean?

I mean, you're talking about stuff that is almost a half century ago like it was yesterday and in conspiracy tones talking about how Canada decides on what happens with the rules and all sorts of nonsense. You could not have made my case any better. Thank you

I stand by what I said, it's bang on, as evidenced right here. Of course, you can believe whatever you want. no one said you can't.

As far as wins over the "ruleless Canadians" and how sweet that is for swedes, I suspect the reason for it being so sweet is really because of how so very little it ever happens. And of course what comes from that is why you think about us as you do.

That makes perfect sense and is far closer to the truth I'm sure.

 

[jj cale]

Disagree. I've been to games all over the globe and NHL fans take the cake when it comes to complaining about refs. Not even close. I mean just go visit the NHL board for verification of this. It's everywhere.
But I'm speaking of hockey in general here, not just international tournaments.

I disagree, not here on this site anyway and certainly not on other sites I have been on. We aren't talking about NHL games, we are talking about international games here and how the different fan bases from each country conduct themselves in this matter, not NHL fandom.

They're in a class by themselves when to comes to reffing and conspiracy bullshit, at least in international tournaments. Not.......even.................close. I mean just check out the post above in reply to mine, there you go.

They are the worst.

 

[Mathieukferland]

In europa, its very known that north american sours off, if they going to lose a game. Why? Because in europe there is, and always been a fundamental gentlemen, and sportmanship spirit when participating in sports. And in europeans eyes, in former omympics and summit series games, canadians voilating all sorts of fundamental sportmanship and behavoir rules. Thats why, for ex. The russians didnt step out for playing in a game (forgot wich game), slashing Kharlamovs foot when he was TO dominant. Thats in our eyes unsportmanship as in the ugliest way.

Canadianans cant take critic, and swedes is one of theose who stand up for what they seen as vioalting the rules compmetley. Canadians clearly dont like that, they are used to be the ones who decides when someone is going to far or not. They just need to realise that the hockeyworld is bigger than their own country.

So thats why.

But i the end, it makes hockey truly to a war, and swedes never has motivation problems playing canadians.
And a victory over the "rule-less" canadians is sweater than ant victory in our eyes.

If you’re going to approach hockey with that mindset you might as well stick to playing/watching bandy, hockey is a contact sport

 

[Hanji]

I disagree, not here on this site anyway and certainly not on other sites I have been on. We aren't talking about NHL games, we are talking about international games here and how the different fan bases from each country conduct themselves in this matter, not NHL fandom.

They're in a class by themselves when to comes to reffing and conspiracy bullshit, at least in international tournaments. Not.......even.................close. I mean just check out the post above in reply to mine, there you go.

They are the worst.

I brought up the NHL because a country's hockey culture will showcase itself in said country's domestic league. NHL culture is reflected in Canadian and American international fans; and more zealously by Canadians for obvious reasons.

I've been to many countries and seen numerous games. North American sporting culture is, by far, the most inclined to complain about refereeing; and not just in hockey. It's exhibited most in sports with deep emotional attachments. Canadians in hockey, Americans in football/basketball.
I suppose you see the same with Europeans in soccer. But hockey?-not to the extent of Canada in hockey. No way.

 

[SwedishFire]

See what I mean?

I mean, you're talking about stuff that is almost a half century ago like it was yesterday and in conspiracy tones talking about how Canada decides on what happens with the rules and all sorts of nonsense. You could not have made my case any better. Thank you

I stand by what I said, it's bang on, as evidenced right here. Of course, you can believe whatever you want. no one said you can't.

As far as wins over the "ruleless Canadians" and how sweet that is for swedes, I suspect the reason for it being so sweet is really because of how so very little it ever happens. And of course what comes from that is why you think about us as you do.

That makes perfect sense and is far closer to the truth I'm sure.

What the f???

I just said WHY europrans thinked diffeent. Just a lesson for Canadians in culture diffrences, and how it played out in the series. But you didnt even get the point.

Embarrassing.

And now its really CLEAR why Canadians are on the top as most annoying. They just think they are right all the time. All other posters are nonsense.

My god!

 

[jj cale]

I brought up the NHL because a country's hockey culture will showcase itself in said country's domestic league. NHL culture is reflected in Canadian and American international fans; and more zealously by Canadians for obvious reasons.

I've been to many countries and seen numerous games. North American sporting culture is, by far, the most inclined to complain about refereeing; and not just in hockey. It's exhibited most in sports with deep emotional attachments. Canadians in hockey, Americans in football/basketball.
I suppose you see the same with Europeans in soccer. But hockey?-not to the extent of Canada in hockey. No way.

What can I say? not here, nationalism and ref stuff is just as bad in hockey amongst them, in some cases worse at times. I'm not sure how you miss it if you spend any time on the boards here but if that's your opinion you're free to it.

I'm free to my opinion also I would think.

 

[jj cale]

What the f???

I just said WHY europrans thinked diffeent. Just a lesson for Canadians in culture diffrences, and how it played out in the series. But you didnt even get the point.

Embarrassing.

And now its really CLEAR why Canadians are on the top as most annoying. They just think they are right all the time. All other posters are nonsense.

My god!

Theres nothing to miss, I said in response to your first post about Canadians whining about reffing that Euro fans go crazy with conspiracy stuff and stuff that happened decades ago when these tournaments happen, then you explain why and it's full of nothing but what I said you engage in and i pointed it out. Then you reply saying I missed the point because there are reasons from the past why fans from there do this stuff. ????

You're just backtracking now trying your best to make it look like you aren't what I said you were.

But it's right there in your own words. Regardless, I didn't originally post to you, you posted to me remember?. You made an observation, well, a fact as far as you were concerned but from my experience I didn't take that as fact around here and made a counter argument, an argument which I still stand by and that was bolstered by your continued responses. If you expect me to just agree with you because you said it forget it, I actually have to believe what you say to do that. If you had said to me Canadian fans like to brag about how they are the best more then other fans I would have agreed with you, But on this issue about refs? sorry, I stand by what I say and have every right not to agree with you if I think it's untrue.

I don't think you are actually even considering what you have been saying, you're just angry IMO. But hey, I didn't come to you with anything did I? you came to me, you don't like it? too bad. But don't reply to someone demanding they see it as you do, that's just not reasonable.

 

[Hanji]

What can I say? not here, nationalism and ref stuff is just as bad in hockey amongst them, in some cases worse at times. I'm not sure how you miss it if you spend any time on the boards here but if that's your opinion you're free to it.

I'm free to my opinion also I would think.

Considering hockey means everything to Canada, common sense says otherwise.

The more something means to people -> the more emotionally attached they become -> , the more crazies will exist -> the more complaining there will be -> the more conspiracy theories you see.
The same exists in politics too.


Nationalism in sport you say? Canada is the epitome of that. It's how a freakin' sporting event can be a top 5-10 moment that defines a country (1972 Summit Series). That's not something that occurs in most places, let alone Sweden. That's a little too crazy if you ask me.

 

[SwedishFire]

Theres nothing to miss, I said in response to your first post about Canadians whining about reffing that Euro fans go crazy with conspiracy stuff and stuff that happened decades ago when these tournaments happen, then you explain why and it's full of nothing but what I said you engage in and i pointed it out. Then you reply saying I missed the point because there are reasons from the past why fans from there do this stuff. ????

You're just backtracking now trying your best to make it look like you aren't what I said you were.

But it's right there in your own words. Regardless, I didn't originally post to you, you posted to me remember?. You made an observation, well, a fact as far as you were concerned but from my experience I didn't take that as fact around here and made a counter argument, an argument which I still stand by and that was bolstered by your continued responses. If you expect me to just agree with you because you said it forget it, I actually have to believe what you say to do that. If you had said to me Canadian fans like to brag about how they are the best more then other fans I would have agreed with you, But on this issue about refs? sorry, I stand by what I say and have every right not to agree with you if I think it's untrue.

I don't think you are actually even considering what you have been saying, you're just angry IMO. But hey, I didn't come to you with anything did I? you came to me, you don't like it? too bad. But don't reply to someone demanding they see it as you do, that's just not reasonable.

Either you are complety stupid, or your pride doesnt want to take in what I wrote

 

[NyQuil]

I agree with the premise that Europeans are extremely pre-occupied with referee conspiracies.

Canadians and Americans may complain about the refs, but only because they are incompetent or simply bad.

With European fans, it's "well, the American ref wants to help Canada win" or "the Swedish ref doesn't like Finland because of our cultural rivalry" or "the Russian ref wants Finland to finish 3rd so that they have to face Canada in the quarterfinal".

It's bizarre.

And I've followed international hockey for decades, both in person and online at places like IHWC.net when they used to have discussion forums, and here.

Even before the puck is dropped, before the whistle is even blown for the first time, the referee is obviously already biased because of their nationality. It's highly amusing.

I couldn't really care less where the referee is from, provided they are competent. With the IIHF, it's always going to be iffy, but not because of their passport. I think it's quite common in European soccer culture so it's not surprising to see it translated to hockey.

 

[SwedishFire]

I agree with the premise that Europeans are extremely pre-occupied with referee conspiracies.

Canadians and Americans may complain about the refs, but only because they are incompetent or simply bad.

With European fans, it's "well, the American ref wants to help Canada win" or "the Swedish ref doesn't like Finland because of our cultural rivalry" or "the Russian ref wants Finland to finish 3rd so that they have to face Canada in the quarterfinal".

It's bizarre.

And I've followed international hockey for decades, both in person and online at places like IHWC.net when they used to have discussion forums, and here.

Even before the puck is dropped, before the whistle is even blown for the first time, the referee is obviously already biased because of their nationality. It's highly amusing.

I couldn't really care less where the referee is from, provided they are competent. With the IIHF, it's always going to be iffy, but not because of their passport. I think it's quite common in European soccer culture so it's not surprising to see it translated to hockey.

This thread makes me cry in the heart. OfC canadians in canadian eyes are perfect( what do you else expect??).

" Canadians and Americans may complain about the refs, but only because they are incompetent or simply bad."

Oh my god... so that is not being baised.

Just lock this shit-thread already.
It wont lead anywhere.

Some posters in here is not in for learning - more to twisting others posts, ignoring others writing, and just throwing things the other way, its the easiest way to switch the focus.

And its funny, when Canadians are so proud about the hockey history, they get sour when you talk about other countries history, and their experience of things.

How small are Canadians?? Very very small.



Just get this; ALL fans complaining about the refs.

Why Canadians are so sensitive about hearing they doing the same, thats just embarrising.

Lock this thread. Now.

 

[NyQuil]

This thread makes me cry in the heart. OfC canadians in canadian eyes are perfect( what do you else expect??).

" Canadians and Americans may complain about the refs, but only because they are incompetent or simply bad."

Oh my god... so that is not being baised.

Just lock this shit-thread already.
It wont lead anywhere.

Some posters in here is not in for learning - more to twisting others posts, ignoring others writing, and just throwing things the other way, its the easiest way to switch the focus.

And its funny, when Canadians are so proud about the hockey history, they get sour when you talk about other countries history, and their experience of things.

How small are Canadians?? Very very small.

Just get this; ALL fans complaining about the refs.

Why Canadians are so sensitive about hearing they doing the same, thats just embarrising.

Lock this thread. Now.

Someone is definitely sour.

All I'm saying is, when Europeans gripe about the refs, the ref's nationality comes up a lot, and if they make a bad call, it is frequently deemed that it's because of some political or nationalistic reason.

I find it's different from when/how North Americans gripe about the refs. It's just a lesson in cultural differences. I spent most of my childhood and a good part of my life in Europe.

I never said that Europeans were the only people who complain about the officiating. Read my post more carefully next time.

North Americans complain all the time about bad reffing. Every team's fanbase has an NHL official or two that they dislike. Where they come from doesn't come up very often.

I have no idea what your rant about hockey history is about. It seems to me that you have a lot of issues boiling up that have nothing to do with what I was saying.

For my part, I don't care if they're Czech, Russian, Swedish, German, Swiss, or whatever, as long as they know what they're doing.

Swedish fans will occasionally complain that the ref is Finnish before he’s even made a call in the game.

 

[Snauen]

Someone is definitely sour.

All I'm saying is, when Europeans gripe about the refs, the ref's nationality comes up a lot, and if they make a bad call, it is frequently deemed that it's because of some political or nationalistic reason.

I find it's different from when/how North Americans gripe about the refs. It's just a lesson in cultural differences. I spent most of my childhood and a good part of my life in Europe.

I never said that Europeans were the only people who complain about the officiating. Read my post more carefully next time.

North Americans complain all the time about bad reffing. Every team's fanbase has an NHL official or two that they dislike. Where they come from doesn't come up very often.

I have no idea what your rant about hockey history is about. It seems to me that you have a lot of issues boiling up that have nothing to do with what I was saying.

For my part, I don't care if they're Czech, Russian, Swedish, German, Swiss, or whatever, as long as they know what they're doing.

Swedish fans will occasionally complain that the ref is Finnish before he’s even made a call in the game.

You might wanna double-check who is winning this poll, then look yourself in the mirror.

 

[TheFinalWord]

In europa, its very known that north american sours off, if they going to lose a game. Why? Because in europe there is, and always been a fundamental gentlemen, and sportmanship spirit when participating in sports. And in europeans eyes, in former omympics and summit series games, canadians voilating all sorts of fundamental sportmanship and behavoir rules. Thats why, for ex. The russians didnt step out for playing in a game (forgot wich game), slashing Kharlamovs foot when he was TO dominant. Thats in our eyes unsportmanship as in the ugliest way.

Canadianans cant take critic, and swedes is one of theose who stand up for what they seen as vioalting the rules compmetley. Canadians clearly dont like that, they are used to be the ones who decides when someone is going to far or not. They just need to realise that the hockeyworld is bigger than their own country.

So thats why.

But i the end, it makes hockey truly to a war, and swedes never has motivation problems playing canadians.
And a victory over the "rule-less" canadians is sweater than ant victory in our eyes.

 

[NyQuil]

You might wanna double-check who is winning this poll, then look yourself in the mirror.

LOL, I voted for Canada.

Doesn't mean the rest of the world is infallible. Isn't that what this thread is about?

I found it an interesting quirk of European fans regarding the nationalities of the officials.

A lot of people in this thread love to dish it out but go batshit crazy if someone pokes fun at them.

 

[SwedishFire]

They didnt injury anyone by purpose at least.

But we havw learned.
Now we too can play the Canadian way

 

[Snauen]

LOL, I voted for Canada.

Doesn't mean the rest of the world is infallible. Isn't that what this thread is about?

I found it an interesting quirk of European fans regarding the nationalities of the officials.

Sure I understand. You do what you can to cement yourself as that annoying fan/fan-base. (What the thread is about).
Dont think you can generalize nationalities vs. refs like that, like I said you are merely beeing annoying . Wich is no suprise cause you voted for urself too, lol. The matter is settled . Dont think there is much more to discuss?

 

[NyQuil]

Sure I understand. You do what you can to cement yourself as that annoying fan/fan-base. (What the thread is about).
Dont think you can generalize nationalities vs. refs like that, like I said you are merely beeing annoying . Wich is no suprise cause you voted for urself too, lol. The matter is settled . Dont think there is much more to discuss?

Feel free to disagree, it’s just something I’ve observed.

This whole thread is full of generalizations so to suddenly take issue with it is a bit weird.

 

[TheFinalWord]

They didnt injury anyone by purpose at least.

But we havw learned.
Now we too can play the Canadian way

Another example of the spotsmanship you are going on about. Please, don't let me stop you from making the case.

 

[SwedishFire]

Another example of the spotsmanship you are going on about. Please, don't let me stop you from making the case.

We have learned from the best you know

 

[Snauen]

Feel free to disagree, it’s just something I’ve observed.

This whole thread is full of generalizations so to suddenly take issue with it is a bit weird.

Alright, continue on generalizing. Im sure I do it too. Yet you have this other tendency to turn to name-calling when Im discussing with you, "weird" , my language is "bizarre" etc. That is an annoying thing you do, my Canadian friend

 

[Macbanan]

Nah, Euro fans take the cake on that one, Swedes may top out the list among them too. When it comes to reffing conspiracies at least.....................Europe is definitely king, no contest you guys have that crown, No one takes that as far or as well, it's almost an art. I suspect the "culture" you have with it comes from Football, that's by best guess anyway.

No one is really in your league there, while the gold on ice may elude your team you can always take solace that you win gold in this department every tournament every year. It's so bad that I have seen fans from there even after they have won gold still bitch about calls that happened during the game or 3 games prior, hell, sometimes even years prior, and show it as some kind of proof they were able to overcome all the obstacles of the rigging because well.............it goes without saying there was cheating. They just consider that to be a fact of life. with them it's not a question of if there was cheating, but how and when.

Now that is a high bar.

It is actually nauseating how far you folks take that stuff, truly sickening every year for fans on this side of the pond.

The "we are the best" stuff goes to Canadians hands down, the ref complaints and the distances to where you will take those complaints, you boys have that one all nailed down.

Europeans definitely have more of a hang-up on the nationalities of the referees in international games. And I think the reason is that soccer is the model sport for every country but Finland and Canada.

In soccer, it's unthinkable that a referee would be presiding over a game involving his home country. I mean, just imagine suggesting to an English soccer fan that the England-Italy Euro cup finals would be refereed by an Italian. You'd be laughed out of the room. And rightly so. But for some reason hockey is supposed so different that Canadian referees without any risk can judge an olympic final involving Canada.

This whole notion that Canadians are somehow magically exempt from bias is so stupid, but for some reason any suggestion of the contrary is dismissed like it's completely outragous. Like hockey isn't the one that's the extreme outlier in the world of sports.

Normally even a appearance of being partial is enough to call the integrity of a decision in question. But in international hockey, for some reason, they don't recognize that.

Humans propensity for national bias is proven beyond all doubt. This isn't exactly some groundbreaking new research. In the champions league, despite taking action to minimize bias by preventing referees from presiding over games involving teams from their countries, a study confirmed there was still national bias.

"We examine the existence and magnitude of own-nationality bias. Using playermatch level data from 12 seasons of the UEFA Champions League (UCL) and referee assignment policies that pair players and referees from the same country, we determine the bias that referees exhibit toward players from their native country. Players officiated by a referee from the same country receive a 10% increase in beneficial foul calls. Referees’ own-nationality bias is more pronounced for national team players, players at home, and in later stages of the tournament. Elite referees exhibit as much, or more, own-nationality bias as their less experienced counterparts"

http://econweb.umd.edu/~pope/soccer_paper.pdf