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Where will Leon Draisaitl rank all-time by the end of his career?

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all-time ranking

  • Top 10

    Votes: 34 4.9%

  • Top 25

    Votes: 194 28.1%

  • Top 50

    Votes: 265 38.4%

  • Top 100

    Votes: 148 21.4%

  • Outside top 100

    Votes: 50 7.2%
  • Total voters
    691
jigglysquishy said:
Well, kind of. The higher you go to the bigger the gap between players. So 33 is closer to 41 than it is 25.

Sakic was 32, McDavid pushed him to 33. Kucherov will push him to 34.

25 is centres like Messier and Esposito, which will be almost impossible for Draisaitl to overtake.
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I can see Moose being too hard to catch but Big Phil is already over rated and an interesting name because a lot of the same arguments holding back Leon (that guy McDavid) apply even more to Phil right?

Also Leon is a much better playoff performer than Phil ever was.
 
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jigglysquishy said:
Draisaitl top 15 is clearly overkill. Like he's obviously has no chance of getting there.

At best, he's the third top forward of his era. Most of us would have him behind Mackinnon too, so fourth best of his era.

Top 15 all time is functionally reserved for best player of their era type players.
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While I get the jist of this argument that seems to fly out the window with SC performers with a ton being on dynasty Habs teams and other guys from the 06 with heavy representation which in turn influences overall all time rankings one would think.

To be fair the HOH might need to redo their top 40 playoff performers of all time list but still the emphasis on SC's seems overdone at times.




jigglysquishy said:
I can see him hitting top 50 all time, but he's very much not there yet.

I don't think he overtakes Yzerman or Sakic, and neither are close to top 25. Maybe he overtakes Malkin, but I don't have him top 50.
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He is certainly ahead of guys like Frisov, Dickie Moore and Bathgate one would think by this point.
 
Coffee said:
Who else current active player you think makes the top 100?
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McDavid, Kucherov, Mackinnon, Vasilevskiy, and Draisaitl are all there. Matthews and Makar will. Likely Hughes too.

That's ignoring old guys like Crosby, Ovechkin, Malkin, Kane, and Karlsson.

Or guys like Bedard or Fox or Hellebucyk that might still pull it off.
 
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Coffee said:
Who else current active player you think makes the top 100?
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Kucherov, Mackinnon, Makar, Crosby, Malkin, Ovechkin, Matthews

maybe Hughes, Kane, Karlsson....

some goalies, not sure who. they dont stand out like they used to, but that doesnt mesn there arent great ones.

edit - haha, oh ya - McDavid....
 
wetcoast said:
I can see Moose being too hard to catch but Big Phil is already over rated and an interesting name because a lot of the same arguments holding back Leon (that guy McDavid) apply even more to Phil right?

Also Leon is a much better playoff performer than Phil ever was.
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He may have been overshadowed by Orr but he still has 5 art rosses and 2 harts of his own.
 
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Thought that this was interesting. Draisaitl currently ranks 17th all time for points in a 7th year stretch using hockey outsiders VsX method, showing the top 20:

Hockey Outsider said:
TABLE 1 - BEST SEVEN YEARS, POINTS (last updated: 2024)

[TABLE=collapse]
[TR]
[TD]Player[/TD]
[TD]7 YEAR[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Wayne Gretzky[/TD]
[TD]155.6[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Phil Esposito[/TD]
[TD]130.4[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Gordie Howe[/TD]
[TD]125.5[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Mario Lemieux[/TD]
[TD]119.8[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Connor McDavid[/TD]
[TD]117.5[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Bobby Orr[/TD]
[TD]114.8[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Jaromir Jagr[/TD]
[TD]114.2[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Bobby Hull[/TD]
[TD]108.3[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Stan Mikita[/TD]
[TD]107.8[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Jean Beliveau[/TD]
[TD]105.7[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Guy Lafleur[/TD]
[TD]104.5[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Ted Lindsay[/TD]
[TD]104.4[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Marcel Dionne[/TD]
[TD]103.3[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Sidney Crosby[/TD]
[TD]102.4[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Maurice Richard[/TD]
[TD]102.4[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Howie Morenz[/TD]
[TD]102.2[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Leon Draisaitl[/TD]
[TD]101.3[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Andy Bathgate[/TD]
[TD]101.1[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Alex Ovechkin[/TD]
[TD]98.4[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Nikita Kucherov[/TD]
[TD]98.0[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
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Drai has had a historic offensive prime. On top of that he is statistically one of the best playoff performers ever too. Take that from that what you will.
 
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10YearsHaveGotBehind said:
Thought that this was interesting. Draisaitl currently ranks 17th all time for points in a 7th year stretch using hockey outsiders VsX method, showing the top 20:


Drai has had a historic offensive prime. On top of that he is statistically one of the best playoff performers ever too. Take that from that what you will.
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So 30-40 sounds about right when including goalies and dmen. Could move up a bit with more hardware.
 
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Would he rank higher than Kucherov and MacKinnon? They all seem to be in the same ballpark as Top 40/50ish; star players during their era but not doing things that move them into the 2nd tier of all-time greats.

10YearsHaveGotBehind said:
Drai has had a historic offensive prime. On top of that he is statistically one of the best playoff performers ever too. Take that from that what you will.
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I think you have to qualify his offensive prime as "statistically" also.
 
Kucherov - 2 Art Rosses, 1 Hart, 1 Lindsay, 2 Cups, 2 playoff scoring titles,

During his career - # 4 in RS points, #2 in PPG, #1 in playoff points, # 5 in PPG

Top 10 Scoring finishes - 3, 3, 5, 7

Hart finishes voting - 2, 6, 8


MacKinnon - 1 Hart, 1 Lindsay, 1 Cups

During his career - # 3 in RS points, #5 in PPG, #3 in playoff points, #3 in PPG

Top 10 Scoring finishes - 2, 5, 5, 5, 8, 8

Hart finishes voting - 2, 2, 3, 5, 6


Draisaitl - 1, Art Ross, 1 Hart, 1 Lindsay

During his career - # 3 in RS points, #3 in PPG, #4 in playoff points, #2 in PPG

Top 10 Scoring finishes - 2, 2, 4, 4, 7, 8

Hart finishes voting - 7, 8, 9


Really close between all three. I think the McDavid factor places Draisaitl just behind those two.
 
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Luigi Lemieux said:
So 30-40 sounds about right when including goalies and dmen. Could move up a bit with more hardware.
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Also when this season concludes Drail will move up the list a fair number of spots. He could very well score 120+ points this year compared to the 70 points in 2017-18.
 
Luigi Lemieux said:
He may have been overshadowed by Orr but he still has 5 art rosses and 2 harts of his own.
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Orr played on those teams and Phil had a horrible playoff resume with the Black Hawks and was just a mediocre scorer as he aged in a very watered down NHL in the late 70s.

Any critical analysis of Phil shows he was worth less than his video game numbers suggest.
 
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I still prefer Malkin/Forsberg who sit around 50 but he's been far healthier which may give him an edge depending on how he ages. I'd say he has a shot at the 35-55 range give or take.
 
daver said:
Kucherov - 2 Art Rosses, 1 Hart, 1 Lindsay, 2 Cups, 2 playoff scoring titles,

During his career - # 4 in RS points, #2 in PPG, #1 in playoff points, # 5 in PPG

Top 10 Scoring finishes - 3, 3, 5, 7

Hart finishes voting - 2, 6, 8


MacKinnon - 1 Hart, 1 Lindsay, 1 Cups

During his career - # 3 in RS points, #5 in PPG, #3 in playoff points, #3 in PPG

Top 10 Scoring finishes - 2, 5, 5, 5, 8, 8

Hart finishes voting - 2, 2, 3, 5, 6


Draisaitl - 1, Art Ross, 1 Hart, 1 Lindsay

During his career - # 3 in RS points, #3 in PPG, #4 in playoff points, #2 in PPG

Top 10 Scoring finishes - 2, 2, 4, 4, 7, 8

Hart finishes voting - 7, 8, 9


Really close between all three. I think the McDavid factor places Draisaitl just behind those two.
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no Makar factor?
 
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I could see top 20-30. Depends how many more 50 goal, 100 point seasons he has and obviously if the Oilers are able to win a Cup.
 
It depends if the core of Conner and Lyon can win the cup, and if they can multiple times. Also if they do it in Edmunthon or traded and in another team?
 
It's comical how people take away from Drai because he plays on a team with the best player in the world.

But of course, those same people don't discredit Mack even though he plays with the best defenseman in the World & a top 5-10 winger in the game.
 
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McFlash97 said:
End up with Jagr and Kucherov as the most prolific European point machine of all time. Depends on how he does in the next 5 seasons.

Playoffs, the most prolific European player of all time. Numero uno.
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Ok so McDavid plays with the best European playoff performer ever for 9 seasons so far and they have no championships? And have won a game past the second round only one year.

It just doesn't add up. Do players not have any impact on winning? Or maybe it's that their stats look better than their actual impact.
 
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