Where will Leon Draisaitl rank all-time by the end of his career?

[wetcoast]

Well, kind of. The higher you go to the bigger the gap between players. So 33 is closer to 41 than it is 25.

Sakic was 32, McDavid pushed him to 33. Kucherov will push him to 34.

25 is centres like Messier and Esposito, which will be almost impossible for Draisaitl to overtake.

I can see Moose being too hard to catch but Big Phil is already over rated and an interesting name because a lot of the same arguments holding back Leon (that guy McDavid) apply even more to Phil right?

Also Leon is a much better playoff performer than Phil ever was.

 

[wetcoast]

Draisaitl top 15 is clearly overkill. Like he's obviously has no chance of getting there.

At best, he's the third top forward of his era. Most of us would have him behind Mackinnon too, so fourth best of his era.

Top 15 all time is functionally reserved for best player of their era type players.

While I get the jist of this argument that seems to fly out the window with SC performers with a ton being on dynasty Habs teams and other guys from the 06 with heavy representation which in turn influences overall all time rankings one would think.

To be fair the HOH might need to redo their top 40 playoff performers of all time list but still the emphasis on SC's seems overdone at times.

I can see him hitting top 50 all time, but he's very much not there yet.

I don't think he overtakes Yzerman or Sakic, and neither are close to top 25. Maybe he overtakes Malkin, but I don't have him top 50.

He is certainly ahead of guys like Frisov, Dickie Moore and Bathgate one would think by this point.

 

[Dingo]

top 50, with a shot at top 25

 

[Coffee]

top 50, with a shot at top 25

Who else current active player you think makes the top 100?

 

[jigglysquishy]

Who else current active player you think makes the top 100?

McDavid, Kucherov, Mackinnon, Vasilevskiy, and Draisaitl are all there. Matthews and Makar will. Likely Hughes too.

That's ignoring old guys like Crosby, Ovechkin, Malkin, Kane, and Karlsson.

Or guys like Bedard or Fox or Hellebucyk that might still pull it off.

 

[Dingo]

Who else current active player you think makes the top 100?

Kucherov, Mackinnon, Makar, Crosby, Malkin, Ovechkin, Matthews

maybe Hughes, Kane, Karlsson....

some goalies, not sure who. they dont stand out like they used to, but that doesnt mesn there arent great ones.

edit - haha, oh ya - McDavid....

 

[Luigi Lemieux]

I can see Moose being too hard to catch but Big Phil is already over rated and an interesting name because a lot of the same arguments holding back Leon (that guy McDavid) apply even more to Phil right?

Also Leon is a much better playoff performer than Phil ever was.

He may have been overshadowed by Orr but he still has 5 art rosses and 2 harts of his own.

 

[10YearsHaveGotBehind]

Thought that this was interesting. Draisaitl currently ranks 17th all time for points in a 7th year stretch using hockey outsiders VsX method, showing the top 20:

TABLE 1 - BEST SEVEN YEARS, POINTS (last updated: 2024)

Player	7 YEAR
Wayne Gretzky	155.6
Phil Esposito	130.4
Gordie Howe	125.5
Mario Lemieux	119.8
Connor McDavid	117.5
Bobby Orr	114.8
Jaromir Jagr	114.2
Bobby Hull	108.3
Stan Mikita	107.8
Jean Beliveau	105.7
Guy Lafleur	104.5
Ted Lindsay	104.4
Marcel Dionne	103.3
Sidney Crosby	102.4
Maurice Richard	102.4
Howie Morenz	102.2
Leon Draisaitl	101.3
Andy Bathgate	101.1
Alex Ovechkin	98.4
Nikita Kucherov	98.0

Drai has had a historic offensive prime. On top of that he is statistically one of the best playoff performers ever too. Take that from that what you will.

 

[Luigi Lemieux]

Thought that this was interesting. Draisaitl currently ranks 17th all time for points in a 7th year stretch using hockey outsiders VsX method, showing the top 20:


Drai has had a historic offensive prime. On top of that he is statistically one of the best playoff performers ever too. Take that from that what you will.

So 30-40 sounds about right when including goalies and dmen. Could move up a bit with more hardware.

 

[nowhereman]

Great commentary from someone preaching about how the talent was the best and most advanced from the beginning of Crosby’s career up until McDavid started lapping him.

Oh, really? That's news to me.

Stop deflecting and brush up on your hockey history.

 

[Jack Spider]

Similar player to Jagr, Malkin and Drail.

 

[Video Nasty]

Oh, really? That's news to me.

Stop deflecting and brush up on your hockey history

I’ll do that when I’m convinced you’ve actually watched more than McDavid highlights.

 

[daver]

Would he rank higher than Kucherov and MacKinnon? They all seem to be in the same ballpark as Top 40/50ish; star players during their era but not doing things that move them into the 2nd tier of all-time greats.

Drai has had a historic offensive prime. On top of that he is statistically one of the best playoff performers ever too. Take that from that what you will.

I think you have to qualify his offensive prime as "statistically" also.

 

[daver]

Kucherov - 2 Art Rosses, 1 Hart, 1 Lindsay, 2 Cups, 2 playoff scoring titles,

During his career - # 4 in RS points, #2 in PPG, #1 in playoff points, # 5 in PPG

Top 10 Scoring finishes - 3, 3, 5, 7

Hart finishes voting - 2, 6, 8


MacKinnon - 1 Hart, 1 Lindsay, 1 Cups

During his career - # 3 in RS points, #5 in PPG, #3 in playoff points, #3 in PPG

Top 10 Scoring finishes - 2, 5, 5, 5, 8, 8

Hart finishes voting - 2, 2, 3, 5, 6


Draisaitl - 1, Art Ross, 1 Hart, 1 Lindsay

During his career - # 3 in RS points, #3 in PPG, #4 in playoff points, #2 in PPG

Top 10 Scoring finishes - 2, 2, 4, 4, 7, 8

Hart finishes voting - 7, 8, 9


Really close between all three. I think the McDavid factor places Draisaitl just behind those two.

 

[10YearsHaveGotBehind]

So 30-40 sounds about right when including goalies and dmen. Could move up a bit with more hardware.

Also when this season concludes Drail will move up the list a fair number of spots. He could very well score 120+ points this year compared to the 70 points in 2017-18.

 

[Hallonbroder]

When is his career finished?…

 

[wetcoast]

He may have been overshadowed by Orr but he still has 5 art rosses and 2 harts of his own.

Orr played in those teams and Phil had a horrible playoff resume with the Black Hawks and was just a mediocre scorer as he aged in a very watered down NHL in the late 70s.

Any critical analysis of Phil shows he was worth less than his video game numbers suggest.

 

[blundluntman]

I still prefer Malkin/Forsberg who sit around 50 but he's been far healthier which may give him an edge depending on how he ages. I'd say he has a shot at the 35-55 range give or take.

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

Kucherov - 2 Art Rosses, 1 Hart, 1 Lindsay, 2 Cups, 2 playoff scoring titles,

During his career - # 4 in RS points, #2 in PPG, #1 in playoff points, # 5 in PPG

Top 10 Scoring finishes - 3, 3, 5, 7

Hart finishes voting - 2, 6, 8


MacKinnon - 1 Hart, 1 Lindsay, 1 Cups

During his career - # 3 in RS points, #5 in PPG, #3 in playoff points, #3 in PPG

Top 10 Scoring finishes - 2, 5, 5, 5, 8, 8

Hart finishes voting - 2, 2, 3, 5, 6


Draisaitl - 1, Art Ross, 1 Hart, 1 Lindsay

During his career - # 3 in RS points, #3 in PPG, #4 in playoff points, #2 in PPG

Top 10 Scoring finishes - 2, 2, 4, 4, 7, 8

Hart finishes voting - 7, 8, 9


Really close between all three. I think the McDavid factor places Draisaitl just behind those two.

no Makar factor?

 

[Cup or Bust]

I could see top 20-30. Depends how many more 50 goal, 100 point seasons he has and obviously if the Oilers are able to win a Cup.

 

[Fantast100]

Who else current active player you think makes the top 100?

Crosby, Ovechkin, Malkin, McDavid, Draisaitl and Kucherov at least.

 

[Fantast100]

McDavid probably top 10 maybe even top 5 in 2035.

 

[gritdash60]

It depends if the core of Conner and Lyon can win the cup, and if they can multiple times. Also if they do it in Edmunthon or traded and in another team?

 

[Skolman]

It's comical how people take away from Drai because he plays on a team with the best player in the world.

But of course, those same people don't discredit Mack even though he plays with the best defenseman in the World & a top 5-10 winger in the game.

 

[bambamcam4ever]

End up with Jagr and Kucherov as the most prolific European point machine of all time. Depends on how he does in the next 5 seasons.

Playoffs, the most prolific European player of all time. Numero uno.

Ok so McDavid plays with the best European playoff performer ever for 9 seasons so far and they have no championships? And have won a game past the second round only one year.

It just doesn't add up. Do players not have any impact on winning? Or maybe it's that their stats look better than their actual impact.