Where will Leon Draisaitl rank all-time by the end of his career?

[McFlash97]

Draisaitl is already sitting with 6 - 100 point seasons if I'm not mistaken. Thats more than Jaromir mofo Jagr, who played nearly 20 seasons and half dozen seasons with a prime 66.

Draisaitl is on pace for being a top 10 player at this rate.

 

[daver]

Yeah, but at the end of careers, it's somewhat easier. In 2012, it would have been easier to claim Malkin was better than Sakic, Francis, or even Trottier. Now? Not quite the same.

You can claim that peak Malkin was better than them but he did reach them in his prime.

Not sure that Draisaitl has reached the peak of any C in the Top 50 yet.

 

[daver]

You can claim that peak Malkin was better than them but he did reach them in his prime.

Not sure that Draisaitl has reached the peak of any C in the Top 50 yet.

Weird that someone would literally laugh at this claim but they may want to cry given that Forsberg and Malkin are arguably not even in the Top 50 and both peaked higher than Draisaitl.

 

[Wings4Life]

Weird that someone would literally laugh at this claim but they may want to cry given that Forsberg and Malkin are arguably not even in the Top 50 and both peaked higher than Draisaitl.

I don't think anyone could argue Malkin outside the top 50 while keeping a straight face on? I could be wrong, but that would be a pretty big stretch.

 

[Luigi Lemieux]

Draisaitl is already sitting with 6 - 100 point seasons if I'm not mistaken. Thats more than Jaromir mofo Jagr, who played nearly 20 seasons and half dozen seasons with a prime 66.

Draisaitl is on pace for being a top 10 player at this rate.

Jagr did that in the dead puck era, a much more impressive achievement. He has 5 art rosses including 4 straight from 97-01. Totally different caliber player than Drai, come on now.

 

[Hockey Outsider]

I disagree, that HF user list is biased by definition.

Statistical bias is the systematic tendency in which the methods used to gather data and generate statistics (eg. having a large group of North Americans submit ranking lists) present a skewed depiction of reality (eg. having North American players ranked above non-North American players).

This is a fact-based argument, as the majority of the voters in that subforum who created that list were/are North American. Of course, biased North American voters will often throw in a token Russian or Swede high up their ratings, to appear neutral. That is a common tactic. Some may even be unaware of their own bias, since this can manifest itself in subtle ways.

The net result of a board process is the same, you get guys like Malkin rated low and some North American players rated higher than they should be.

The way to remove this bias is to adjust for the confounding variable of nationality in one’s voting panel. Otherwise, one will simply continue to produce biased lists.

Let's continue this conversation in this thread. (This conversation has nothing to do with Draisaitl anymore). I'll post my response when I have time over the next few days.

 

[authentic]

I mean... I honestly can't tell if Daver is trolling me or not.

But yeah... Draisaitl totally takes on easier competition in comparison to...

Forsberg who played behind Sakic, and Malkin who played behind Crosby.


Nonono this standard only applies to Draisaitl?

Forsberg didn’t play behind Sakic though, they had separate parts of their career where they faced the other top scorers and checking lines. Forsberg generally went against top lines when Hartley coached then it switched with Crawford. I think your point still stands with Draisaitl although I think he may still benefit from McDavid more than any superstar does from a single linemate however MacKinnon having Makar and Rantanen is basically the best you could ask for in a defense and forward combo.