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Where is Marner signing this summer

  • Toronto

    Votes: 33 11.6%

  • Chicago

    Votes: 45 15.8%

  • Pittsburgh

    Votes: 22 7.7%

  • Utah

    Votes: 24 8.4%

  • San Jose

    Votes: 40 14.0%

  • Anaheim

    Votes: 28 9.8%

  • Carolina

    Votes: 26 9.1%

  • Other

    Votes: 67 23.5%
  • Total voters
    285
Legion34 said:
They aren’t living paycheck to pay check.
They invest all the money.

Paying 30% less for gas/hydro and groceries doesn’t do anything for the millions they pay extra in taxes.
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What? The point was he gets 30% more when the US dollars, which all players are paid in, get turned into Canadian dollars at the bank. So 10 mil Us is 13 mil Canadian to spend.
 
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bert said:
What analysis did I give exactly?... Id love to hear your breakdown. These are teams with cap space to do it. Do you disagree with the math or just staying on brand with a terrible take?
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You said cap space and motivation. I said every team is going to have motivation to add a player like Marner. There’s plenty of teams not on this list that are going to create cap space over the course of the next few weeks. This is a poor list of initial teams was my only point. Maybe he’ll sign with a team that is still far from playoff contention, e.g., PIT, CHI, SJS, and even ANA (in a tough western conference), but I don’t really buy it. Plenty of good teams will make space for him.
 
KaprizovSaveUs said:
You said cap space and motivation. I said every team is going to have motivation to add a player like Marner. There’s plenty of teams not on this list that are going to create cap space over the course of the next few weeks. This is a poor list of initial teams was my only point. Maybe he’ll sign with a team that is still far from playoff contention, e.g., PIT, CHI, SJS, and even ANA (in a tough western conference), but I don’t really buy it. Plenty of good teams will make space for him.
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You need cap space first and foremost. Is that a hard concept to wrap your head around?

You original point like all of your takes is trash. Most teams can barely fit their own players into cap situation.
These are the teams that can do it for the most part. He is going to get 12+ million do you think more than 9 teams have that type of flexibility?....

You dont buy what that a player signing for 7 years wouldnt want to be going to a team that will be good for most of it?...
 
Fatass said:
What? The point was he gets 30% more when the US dollars, which all players are paid in, get turned into Canadian dollars at the bank. So 10 mil Us is 13 mil Canadian to spend.
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No. 10 million US is always 10 million. He can invest in us stocks in US dollars. No one just converts their money into Canadian dollars to invest. Thats why they want to get paid up front. Because you want your money sooner to invest and grow. He isn’t rationing his salary.

What is he spending 13 million on this year.

The “Canadian money” would be on gas and clothes and food/toys. The exchange rate is largely included anyway. Products are more expensive here and taxed heavier when you buy.

The extra million-1.5 million he would take home a year in a no state tax market is worth way more than the 8 months of extra “Canadian conversion”.
 
bert said:
You need cap space first and foremost. Is that a hard concept to wrap your head around?

You original point like all of your takes is trash. Most teams can barely fit their own players into cap situation.
These are the teams that can do it for the most part. He is going to get 12+ million do you think more than 9 teams have that type of flexibility?....

You dont buy what that a player signing for 7 years wouldnt want to be going to a team that will be good for most of it?...
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1. I think I’m starting to understand the basic concepts of the salary cap now that you mentioned the whole “cap space” thing.
2. You have no idea what teams “can do it for the most part” is my point. 32 teams are going to have conversations about the feasibility of brining Mitch Marner in, what the contract would look like, what moves they’d have to make to create cap space. That’s my point. Elite players like Mitch Marner are players every team would kill to add. Just because team’s cap structure doesn’t look like a fit in the surface doesn’t mean they can’t move money around to make it work for a player of Mitch Marner quality.
3. You kinda just made my point for me no? You really think there’s any assurances that CHI, SJ, Pittsburgh, etc. are going to be “good” for the better part of his 7 year deal? All of those teams are years away still. Why would he sign somewhere where he might be 33 before they are ready to contend?
 
KaprizovSaveUs said:
1. I think I’m starting to understand the basic concepts of the salary cap now that you mentioned the whole “cap space” thing.
2. You have no idea what teams “can do it for the most part” is my point. 32 teams are going to have conversations about the feasibility of brining Mitch Marner in, what the contract would look like, what moves they’d have to make to create cap space. That’s my point. Elite players like Mitch Marner are players every team would kill to add. Just because team’s cap structure doesn’t look like a fit in the surface doesn’t mean they can’t move money around to make it work for a player of Mitch Marner quality.
3. You kinda just made my point for me no? You really think there’s any assurances that CHI, SJ, Pittsburgh, etc. are going to be “good” for the better part of his 7 year deal? All of those teams are years away still. Why would he sign somewhere where he might be 33 before they are ready to contend?
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The Bolded absolutely not; that wont happen. I dont need to explain this either. If you think all 32 teams want that type of player at that price tag you are most lost than I thought. Secondly no teams are going to break up their core to add a 12 million dollar player either that is a contender. He has proven to be a player that cannot raise his game when it counts most. For example do you actually think Florida is like. Yeah we need to pick between Bennett and Ekblad but you know what lets let them both walk trade another valuable piece and go after Marner. Its a ridiculous thing to suggest. But that is your premise on chirping my original post. Its absurd.

I already explained why he would consider San Jose. Same thing applies for Anaheim. Celebrini is a perfect centerman for Marner to play with on a team with, they have tons of assets and good young players. In California a very long way away from Toronto. It wont be 5 years before they are competitive.
 
My guess is Anaheim or Chicago. Both those teams could really use an elite winger, both those teams have cap space.

As an aside, multiple ppl are thinking Utah is in play, to me that doesn't really make sense. Utah has a surplus of good wings and needs a center to eventually play with Cooley (maybe they get that this draft) or maybe an actual top pairing D depending how you view Serg and / or the D prospects. Signing Marner for 10m+ AAV doesn't help our team
 
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The only teams that shouldn’t be on his list are those that are trending downward. So Pittsburgh would be off of the list above. Too much uncertainty for a player in his prime to tie his anchor to if his main goal is to win.

But for a Chicago/San Jose/Anaheim/Buffalo… why not them? Teams that have or will have the prospect pool to theoretically make big strides with NHL ready players…

If it’s not soon for a Chicago or San Jose type team, I have a hard time seeing them ever being good enough if that’s the case.
 
Fatass said:
So who plays Marner’s minutes? 100 points. Top line. Play driver. Top pk guy. Elite 200 ft game. Makes the guys he plays with better.
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This feels like a scene from moneyball where they talk about replacing Giambis HRs/RBIs. Or maybe it’s closer to replacing Damon? In the movie it was about on base %. In hockey, the most recent analogous focus is on puck possession. It doesn’t have to be points. It can be guys winning puck battles, etc.
 
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Telling everyone right now don't sleep on Nashville. There was definitely something to the rumours of him going there last year.
 
Hockey4Lyfe said:
The only teams that shouldn’t be on his list are those that are trending downward. So Pittsburgh would be off of the list above. Too much uncertainty for a player in his prime to tie his anchor to if his main goal is to win.

But for a Chicago/San Jose/Anaheim/Buffalo… why not them? Teams that have or will have the prospect pool to theoretically make big strides with NHL ready players…

If it’s not soon for a Chicago or San Jose type team, I have a hard time seeing them ever being good enough if that’s the case.
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Until you realize Dubas is the GM and they have 23 million to spend this summer..
 
I think he ends up in Colorado or Vegas. I think Los Angeles, Ottawa, and Minnesota will all take a crack at trying to grab him too if those two can't make it work.

He's not going to a team worse than Toronto, why the hell would he choose to sign with a non-playoff team?
 
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Erik Alfredsson said:
I think he ends up in Colorado or Vegas. I think Los Angeles, Ottawa, and Minnesota will all take a crack at trying to grab him too if those two can't make it work.

He's not going to a team worse than Toronto, why the hell would he choose to sign with a non-playoff team?
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