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Where did Yzerman go wrong with the rebuild?

Pavels Dog

Pavels Dog

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Gniwder said:
If all Stevie does is hit on only his first rounders this team is stuck in mediocreville until Larkin drops off, then we're looking at tanking for a 1C. Let's do a projected roster with the first rounders:

(DBC) - Larkin - Ray
'25 pick - Danielson - MBN
? - Kasper -?
(Mazur) - ? - ?

Ed - Mo
'26 pick - ASP
(AlJo) - ?

Cossa
(Gus)

Looks like a bubble team to me even with 4 players not acquired in the first round. Also explains why I keep saying Danielson has to be a homerun for this team to make the playoffs.
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I don't see that makes sense though. Are you expecting a bonafide #1C to come out of the later rounds for us?
The placement of the questionmarks are positions that would be nice to fill with some late round picks, but they are in depth roles. That's not difficult to find in FA or via trade, and we already have guys playing those roles that you for some reason deleted.
 
Gniwder

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Pavels Dog said:
I don't see that makes sense though. Are you expecting a bonafide #1C to come out of the later rounds for us?
The placement of the questionmarks are positions that would be nice to fill with some late round picks, but they are in depth roles. That's not difficult to find in FA or via trade, and we already have guys playing those roles that you for some reason deleted.
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Yeah, and the team is mediocre. It will continue to be mediocre unless a late round pick turns out to be a homerun, and I'm not seeing it will the current crop of prospects. Stevie needs a Robertson/Datsyuk/Z/Benn/Palat type pick in order to get deep in the playoffs.

Mind you, I liked Plante/Becher/Buch picks, just need more of those instead of Cleveland/Phelan/James/WHipple etc. I don't think any of those I've mentioned are gonna be game breakers. I suppose Finnie is really tearing it up now though.

Based on that lineup, I'm almost certain Stevie goes after a center in the first round this draft. He's gotta start planning for Larkin's decline 3 or so years from now.
 
Henkka

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Gniwder said:
Yeah, and the team is mediocre. It will continue to be mediocre unless a late round pick turns out to be a homerun, and I'm not seeing it will the current crop of prospects. Stevie needs a Robertson/Datsyuk/Z/Benn/Palat type pick in order to get deep in the playoffs.

Mind you, I liked Plante/Becher/Buch picks, just need more of those instead of Cleveland/Phelan/James/WHipple etc. I don't think any of those I've mentioned are gonna be game breakers. I suppose Finnie is really tearing it up now though.

Based on that lineup, I'm almost certain Stevie goes after a center in the first round this draft. He's gotta start planning for Larkin's decline 3 or so years from now.
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Why are thinkin like this? Why it has to be a low round pick?

Four of our 1st rounders aren't on the team yet. MBN, Danielson, ASP, Cossa. Those will make the REAL jump. Low rounders are just wild cards as well as getting decent UFAs.
 
Ulysses31

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guess some ppl half glass empty types, pretty optimistic here. got 2, maybe 3 (asp) 1st pair D. whose to say aljo aint a 4d that could pair with asp or seider if break up ed seider. buium, wallinder, tuomisto potenital to b solid bottom pair d. chance wallinder or buium better than bottom pair

since sy havent hit for certain on a F besides raymond but still a lot of runway. some players b late bloomers. even a guy like ras or berg have more potential imo

then cossa n trey gonna b huge in net
 
RED WINGS STOMP

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For those who expect a big time prospect to tear it up right away, look at Connor McMichael's progression with the Caps.

Could be something similar with Kasper and Danielson, where they need a season or two before busting out.
 
The Zermanator

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Gniwder said:
If all Stevie does is hit on only his first rounders this team is stuck in mediocreville until Larkin drops off, then we're looking at tanking for a 1C. Let's do a projected roster with the first rounders:

(DBC) - Larkin - Ray
'25 pick - Danielson - MBN
? - Kasper -?
(Mazur) - ? - ?

Ed - Mo
'26 pick - ASP
(AlJo) - ?

Cossa
(Gus)

Looks like a bubble team to me even with 4 players not acquired in the first round. Also explains why I keep saying Danielson has to be a homerun for this team to make the playoffs.
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You have zero basis for making the assumptions you're making here.

- Raymond and Seider aren't even done developing yet.
- Edvinsson already looks great 35 games into his NHL career and the sky is the limit for him.
- ASP is trending to be a very special player too.
- Cossa has the potential to be a brick wall, especially behind the defense that is shaping up.
- We have no idea what Danielson, Kasper, and MBN will become, but they all have great potential.

Raymond and Seider are already monsters, and still with room to improve. Cossa is coming along great. ASP is coming along great as well. Those are 4 very big pieces right there.

A team with 3 monsters on the back-end, a monster in net, a monster on the wing, a monster at centre (Larkin), along with a high quality supporting cast made up of Danielson, Kasper, MBN, and Debrincat does not strike me as a mediocre team.

Edit: And that's not even considering what guys like Augustine, Mazur, and Wallinder (and others) will become, if anything.
 
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