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McDavid will never be as good as Crosby in his career. It's an insult to Crosbys career to even put him on the same level. And yet people are already having McDavid with Wayne and Mario as top 3 players to ever play the game. :laugh::laugh::laugh:
 
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edog37 said:
By 24 years old, Crosby already led his team to two Stanley Cup Final appearances & one Cup win. He also won an Olympic Gold Medal scoring the OT winner. Regular season stats don’t matter.
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The poster I quoted said Crosby is a better even strength player which is false.
 
ChrisK97 said:
The NHL does a terrible job of protecting their stars

In hockey, basically it lets less skilled players/teams get away with anything and everything
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And yet... Crosby has 3 cups, Ovechkin has 1. Those stars managed to fight through it and perform in the playoffs.
 
ChrisK97 said:
The NHL does a terrible job of protecting their stars

In hockey, basically it lets less skilled players/teams get away with anything and everything
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And yet the teams with the best players usually win. Impossible when you're a two man team though.
 
If we get WPG/MTL vs COL, I think even MacKinnon would be stifled by either of those teams
 
Winnipeg will win game 3, shutting McDrai down again.

Then in game 4, McDavid will have a 4 or 5 point game.... before his team manages to lose in game 5 anyway.
 
Llamamoto said:
Puljujarvi's emergence has been pretty huge for this team. Yamamoto (despite his point totals, his play had been a lot better than what his totals suggest) is also promising.

Nurse has become a 1D and Larsson having his best season since 2016-17 is also huge. With all the cap space that's coming off the books next year, the Oilers could actually emerge a contender. That obviously depends on whether Holland's willing to make some serious moves, but we have the pieces to do so.

And this series isn't over yet.
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To me this only sounds like slight variations on names/timeframes we’ve been waiting on for a half dozen years now.

At the very least, I think oiler fans need to understand that hockey fandom can be skeptical until actual on ice results at this time of the year materialize.
 
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bambamcam4ever said:
McDavid's true value is that he is the best player in NHL history at creating odd-man chances off the rush: creating a breakaway by blowing past the D, beating his man to create a 2-on-1, 3-on-2 etc.

The issue in the playoffs in twofold: first, players play harder, and will give more effort backchecking, so it makes it harder to create those chances just due to skating. Also, teams recognize that he is far more dangerous off the rush, so they play a safe game in the OZ, and layer the NZ so he always has a guy in front of him, which pushes McDavid to the walls unless he makes an amazing move. And it's proven to be successful.
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Bure didn't seem to have any problems with that in the playoffs
 
authentic said:
And yet the teams with the best players usually win. Impossible when you're a two man team though.
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Truly ridiculous that six years later there's still no depth. And imo they made a terrible mistake going with two dinosaurs in Holland/Tippett. They needed new blood with bold vision to mold the team for the new nhl. Holland is more someone you want if you have a veteran team that needs some tinkering.
 
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ChrisK97 said:
The NHL does a terrible job of protecting their stars

In hockey, basically it lets less skilled players/teams get away with anything and everything
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I am shocked, absolutely stunned by the Oilers response to allowing a guy like Pionk to have his way with McDavid. I guess Tippett doesn't believe in eye for an eye hockey but I would be pissed if I was an Oilers player seeing the Jets just beat on Mcdavid and Drai.

They should have done something about it in game one at least. Now they just allowed it to continue and you are done 2 to 0 and if you start it up in game 3 you could get punished and be totally out of it.

If you got guys like Nurse or Kassian in the lineup then use them.

The Oilers look like a soft perimeter team right now and that doesn't work in the playoffs
 
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Sky04 said:
Regardless of the depth it's not like Crosby and Malkin were ever shutdown this early, they were still the stars of the show in every series especially in the early rounds, depth added on to they already brought, not bail them out cause they were struggling.

McDavid and Draisaitl are also playing on the same line, you can argue depth if these guys were the only ones scoring but they aren't even doing that.
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I agree Malkin had 36 points when they won in 2009 and his linemates Fedotenko and Talbot definitely not top 6 quality and more like 3rd and 4th line players. So to act like depth is an excuse for not producing in the playoffs is a ridiculous argument.
 
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Joe Hallenback said:
I am shocked, absolutely stunned by the Oilers response to allowing a guy like Pionk to have his way with McDavid. I guess Tippett doesn't believe in eye for an eye hockey but I would be pissed if I was an Oilers player seeing the Jets just beat on Mcdavid and Drai.

They should have done something about it in game one at least. Now they just allowed it to continue and you are done 2 to 0 and if you start it up in game 3 you could get punished and be totally out of it.

If you got guys like Nurse or Kassian in the lineup then use them.

The Oilers look like a soft perimeter team right now and that doesn't work in the playoffs
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Nurse definitely shouldn't be stepping up to fight given how important he is for our D.

Kassian/Khaira though absolutely. Kassian has been one of our most disappointing players. Since he signed the contract a year ago he's gone completely invisible.
 
Joe Hallenback said:
I am shocked, absolutely stunned by the Oilers response to allowing a guy like Pionk to have his way with McDavid. I guess Tippett doesn't believe in eye for an eye hockey but I would be pissed if I was an Oilers player seeing the Jets just beat on Mcdavid and Drai.

They should have done something about it in game one at least. Now they just allowed it to continue and you are done 2 to 0 and if you start it up in game 3 you could get punished and be totally out of it.

If you got guys like Nurse or Kassian in the lineup then use them.

The Oilers look like a soft perimeter team right now and that doesn't work in the playoffs
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I have never seen this moderator in my life. I’m up too late, time to go to bed. Night all.
 
Joe Hallenback said:
I am shocked, absolutely stunned by the Oilers response to allowing a guy like Pionk to have his way with McDavid. I guess Tippett doesn't believe in eye for an eye hockey but I would be pissed if I was an Oilers player seeing the Jets just beat on Mcdavid and Drai.

They should have done something about it in game one at least. Now they just allowed it to continue and you are done 2 to 0 and if you start it up in game 3 you could get punished and be totally out of it.

If you got guys like Nurse or Kassian in the lineup then use them.

The Oilers look like a soft perimeter team right now and that doesn't work in the playoffs
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If two of the best players in the league are soft perimeter guys, what does that say about the NHL?
 
Daximus said:
Crosby also had a much deeper team and didn't have to play 3/4 of every game for his team to have a chance. If the Oilers want to go deep with McRai they have to get some depth and get his minutes to a more reasonable rate.
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jcs0218 said:
The Penguins in 2008 and 2009 had a lot of dead-weight on their roster.
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Yep idk why people always mention the Penguins had insane depth that is a lie.

Nothing wrong with that though. We won with depth later on.

Malkin and Crosby put the teams on the back both playoff runs.
 
Also mcdavid and Leon were linemates all game to get them going. I can't remember the last time Crosby and geno played an ev strength shift together. It never happens and that's their whole careers
 
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