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When would you blow it up?

When would you commit to a complete rebuild?

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blow it up today

stage 1: start trading sam first, see if that shakes up the team.
stage 2: start shopping the UFA's next; hall, staal, mccabe, montour, ullmark. will also allow roster fillers to increase trade value before stage 3.
stage 3: try to use cheap prospects as sweeteners to dump skinner at the deadline (mitts, rooster, asplund, bryson) without retaining salary. its possible the culling motivates skinner by showcasing him, need to avoid a buyout even if it requires taking on lucic, loui or seabrook.
stage 4: the most important stage for optics to play out near the draft. trade eichel. how he reacts to the purge affects his value. if he demands a trade, he becomes the villain. if he plays along, he shows character, he has to go either way and it's best (for the sabres) for jack to go as a good soldier. leafs had to retain salary on kessel without getting much in return. avs got a 7th defenseman & 3c for orielly, neither are desired outcomes but more likely than recreating lafontaine for turgeon.

can always bribe seattle with miller to draft okposo
 
flashsabre said:
Blow it all the way up including the arena.

If you want Eichel we want your top two prospects, 1st round pick AND you take Skinner.

Trade Reinhart, Risto, McCabe, Girgs, anyone who has been here for all this failure.

Move Hall and Staal for picks and prospects.

But it means nothing if a competent NHL front office and coaching staff is not in place.

The status quo cannot continue but you need a grand slam on an Eichel trade.
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In what world are you going to get that return for Eichel while having a team pick up that albatross of a Skinner contract? Be realistic here.
 
I think I've reached a point of acceptance with this team. That Terry and Kim won't fire Ralph because they've apparently made him an integral part of the org despite all evidence suggesting that may not be a great idea, that Eichel will eventually force his way out for a mediocre return, that Dahlin won't hit his full potential here, etc.
 
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If it comes to a head and its clear they need to trade Eichel because he is going through some inner-personal trauma for having to play here....

Extreme organizational overhaul will be necessary first. Kruger and the whole thing was put in place to placate Eichel. If he is getting traded, none of that matters, and it is one of the most major crossroads this franchise has ever had. There are no re-dos and they desperately need to get it right. It will be crystal clear that every course the Pegulas have set on has resulted in ruin. Time for someone with experience to steer the ship. Let's go with some combination of Dean Lombardi, Rick Dudley, Don Luce shooting from the hip.

I think everything not nailed down will need to go out along with Eichel too. Liquidate as much cap as possible and re-fill the draft coffers. I know many people dont want to hear this, but IMO, this is the fastest/only way to respectability. I would probably hang on to Dahlen and Cozens, along with any existing non-NHL prospect/NHL hopeful. IMO there is a deep-rooted negativity/toxicity with this team that I trace to Kane and Bogosian coming in and palling up with our 2 recent top franchise-altering picks. No matter what they bring in, they either quit, look suicidal (Staal), or regress/do nothing. Everything needs to go.

For now, fill the team with replacement level plugs who will battle hard and compete for roster spots as well as their own futures. Make it uncomfortable for other teams to play the Sabres (I have never seen a more comfortable team over the past 5 years) Create a new and better culture going forward. Find some team leaders who emerge out of this. Start filling in with some good value non-splashy FA and trade pickups. I can guarantee the team will be more watchable in the near term, and probably perform better in a surprisingly quick turnaround.



The only real albatross is that Skinner contract. My god, not sure there is anything that can be done about that save for getting lucky with another labor battle and a compliance buyout.
 
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orcatown said:
I wonder if anyone can give me a opinion on Dahlen.
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Dahlin is currently being used in a role and system that it not utilizing his talents. He's being tasked to stay stationary at the points offensively as the Sabres play their offense from low to high, and don't activate their defenseman besides working on getting shots from the point. When Dahlin decides to go lower in the zone his linemates are slow to react, because that is not expected of the defenseman. Then there's the transitioning of the puck, and the puck carrying, should I say lack thereof, for Dahlin as his partner Miller handles the bulk of moving the puck up the ice, leaving Dahlin to be the support player.

This year, and large stretches of play last year, his own zone play has been a trainwreck. He had a really bad string of bad games earlier this year.

In short Dahlin is a talented player, with limitations on his skating speed/acceleration, but is being handcuffed by the coaching staff, and is poorly coached by a terrible assistant coach we have in Steve Smith. If he was on any other team, he would have a lot more success. It's almost a given.
 
This has probably been suggested elsewhere, but can we just elevate Ralph to some sort of a team president role. I like him, I just really don't think he's a coach.
 
If I had to chose a coach I would not want a retread of a fired coach but a coach who has a winning formula no matter where he goes. Look up this coach and although not a NHL coach he is a proven winner, where you place him, that is what we need not a retread..

Steve Martinson

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Nozlen said:
If I had to chose a coach I would not want a retread of a fired coach but a coach who has a winning formula no matter where he goes. Look up this coach and although not a NHL coach he is a proven winner, where you place him, that is what we need not a retread..

Steve Martinson
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lmfao

And after this no experience rando runs the team into the ground, the Sabres should next hire "Dr" Phil, and after him Ryan Seacrest. When all those fail, they'll go after the guy who runs a successful taco truck business because he knows what customers like
 
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explore said:
lmfao

And after this no experience rando runs the team into the ground, the Sabres should next hire "Dr" Phil, and after him Ryan Seacrest. When all those fail, they'll go after the guy who runs a successful taco truck business because he knows what customers like
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Sums up your knowledge nicely if you think he is a "rando"
 
LongWayDown37 said:
This has probably been suggested elsewhere, but can we just elevate Ralph to some sort of a team president role. I like him, I just really don't think he's a coach.
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Why would we do this? What would he do as President that he can't do as a coach or how they have structured the team now?
 
Nozlen said:
Sums up your knowledge nicely if you think he is a "rando"
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He has less professional coaching experience than Ralph Krueger. The highest level he's coached is the ECHL, he is the very definition of a rando
 
Nozlen said:
If I had to chose a coach I would not want a retread of a fired coach but a coach who has a winning formula no matter where he goes. Look up this coach and although not a NHL coach he is a proven winner, where you place him, that is what we need not a retread..

Steve Martinson

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Are you going by his record statistics, or is there something about his coaching that you feel would lead him to be a successful head coach in the NHL?
 
Nozlen said:
If I had to chose a coach I would not want a retread of a fired coach but a coach who has a winning formula no matter where he goes. Look up this coach and although not a NHL coach he is a proven winner, where you place him, that is what we need not a retread..

Steve Martinson

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AHL coach, sure. NHL, no chance.
 
orcatown said:
I wonder if anyone can give me a opinion on Dahlen.
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Personal opinion? For the money he makes, he should upgrade his dermatologist. Hockey opinion? Ask others.

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If the Sabres do blow this up, it will be like Wile E. Coyote where the plunger is depressed, nothing happens, Wile E. Coyote traces the wires to the dynamite, and then **boom!** in his face, cut to the Looney Tunes ending ditty with Porky Pig saying "Th Th Th Th That's all, folks!"
 
Intriguing base offers for Eichel

:sabres Quinton Byfield, Alex Turcotte, Kale Clague, and a 1st round pick 2021
:kings Jack Eichel

:sabres Johnny Gaudreau, Sean Monahan, and 2nd round pick 2021
:flames Jack Eichel

:sabres Kaapo Kakko, Mike Zibanejad, Pavel Buchenvich, 1st round pick 2021
:rangers Jack Eichel
 
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