TheNumber4
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For these playoffs, I could see it. Through a full 60, Bouchard has been making a higher volume of impactful plays/passes/shots than Drai.
When will Bouchard be considered elite?
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ORRFForever
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Why would anyone compare Bouchard and Drai? Compare apples to apples.
Very true.
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Why do people get upset about these kind of threads?
Bouchard has been GREAT and he's on the verge of a Cup appearance. What posters who never see him play think matters not one bit.
Oh? And why is that? Is it because:
1. It's empirically been proven to be less effective than another stat
or
2. It goes against your confirmation bias.
If it's #1, please give me the model I should be using and how well it's performed. Otherwise, I'll assume #2 which makes your opinion worthless.
Yeah, wonder why players who play on the same team would ever get compared. Hey, I guess all players are just incomparable between one another and the outcome of games is completely random.
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So far his playoff run this year has been more impressive than Makar's in 2022. Will be exciting to see if he can keep it up in the finals.
TheNumber4
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Bouchard > Heiskenan
Prove me wrong. You can’t.
Prove me wrong. You can’t.
Buck Naked
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How did that promise go? Bouchard was 8-3 5v5 with an xGF% of over 62%.
It's okay to admit that he's pretty good.
Absolutely right, guy was phenomenal and IMO has been the best or 2nd best Oiler these playoffs
It's all good I can admit when I'm wrong, cheers and best of luck to you guys
Fishy McScales
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You're talking to a guy who thinks Bouchard has too many 2nd assists (as a D-man!) to be considered anything more than a "product of McDrai".
Basically he's the kind of poster who thinks he's disproved an argument presenting evidence merely by saying that evidence is meaningless and case closed.
You can't win with people like that. Nor can you lose, on the other hand, because there is no actual argument to be had.
None of those D-men would help Edmonton win the way Bouchard IS, but good to know how some folks evaluate talent
Forget the advanced stats: Guy is 3rd in NHL Playoff scoring after 3 rounds with 27 Points in 18 GP, +11 points over the next highest D (Heiskanen). Those are all VERY meaningful points.
Bouchard now sits #5 all time in Most Points, Defenseman, Playoff Year. With +4-7 games it's easy to see him crack the Top 3 All Time here.
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Sergei Shirokov
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Bouchard hype getting a little out of control imo. He's not a better overall player than Heiskanen.
Last night he makes a soft play on the Stars goal, and fumbled the puck on the play Hintz rang one off the pipe. He's certainly playing great hockey in these playoffs, but you have to admit he's in the absolutely perfect position for his offensive skillset & still makes defensive errors on the regular. Its been a great breakout for him but not sure I'd say he's a top 10 Dman just yet.
Last night he makes a soft play on the Stars goal, and fumbled the puck on the play Hintz rang one off the pipe. He's certainly playing great hockey in these playoffs, but you have to admit he's in the absolutely perfect position for his offensive skillset & still makes defensive errors on the regular. Its been a great breakout for him but not sure I'd say he's a top 10 Dman just yet.
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Yeah, that's nothing to sneeze at. He's definitely opened my eyes last month, he's better than I've given him credit for. I don't consider him "top echelon" material, but that's still a very very good player.
ChaoticOrange
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Heiskanen got posterized on McDavid's goal. Every defenceman screws up here and there.
ChaoticOrange
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Just you wait until
next season
a full 82 games
playoffs
Vancouver
Dallas
FLORIDA then Bouchard will be exposed as the fraud he is amirite
a full 82 games
playoffs
Vancouver
Dallas
FLORIDA then Bouchard will be exposed as the fraud he is amirite
Don't let the Avs board see this.
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Kind of cruel to just ignore LA like that lol
Here's a couple 5on5 numbers:
McDavid xGF% with 0.55 without 0.44
Draisaitl xGF% with 0.52 without 0.46
Ekholm xGF% with 0.56 withou 0.44
Bouchard xGF% with 0.6 without 0.4
Makar xGF% with 0.56 without 0.54
Heiskanen xGF% with 0.52 without 0.55
Fox xGF% with 0.47 without 0.42
Montour xGF% with 0.55 without 0.53
Forsling xGF% with 0.52 without 0.55
Hughes xGF% with 0.6 without 0.45
In short, Bouchard with 0.20 has by far the strongest xGF% impact in 5on5 play out of everyone in the entire playoffs, at least of the ones who have played more than a couple of games and who play in significant roles, forward or defenseman.
The second-strongest impact is actually for Alexis Lafreniere with 0.16(0.52 with 0.36 without).
McDavid xGF% with 0.55 without 0.44
Draisaitl xGF% with 0.52 without 0.46
Ekholm xGF% with 0.56 withou 0.44
Bouchard xGF% with 0.6 without 0.4
Makar xGF% with 0.56 without 0.54
Heiskanen xGF% with 0.52 without 0.55
Fox xGF% with 0.47 without 0.42
Montour xGF% with 0.55 without 0.53
Forsling xGF% with 0.52 without 0.55
Hughes xGF% with 0.6 without 0.45
In short, Bouchard with 0.20 has by far the strongest xGF% impact in 5on5 play out of everyone in the entire playoffs, at least of the ones who have played more than a couple of games and who play in significant roles, forward or defenseman.
The second-strongest impact is actually for Alexis Lafreniere with 0.16(0.52 with 0.36 without).
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People somehow still will claim he’s a product of McDrai even though there’s clear evidence to deny it.
Sergei Shirokov
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Bouchard isn't a fraud I just don't think he's a top 10 defenseman overall. He's been very good this season & is one of the best OFD in the league.
Yes Heiskanen got danced but its also by McDavid. Your right all defenseman mess up, but I think Bouchard tends to lack intensity in his own end & it leads to mistakes.
If the NHL did a fantasy draft tomorrow I'd bet Heiskanen goes ahead of Bouchard
ChaoticOrange
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Not if you’re valuing production, you’re not. Heiskanen is very good, but Bouchard literally outproduces him 2 to 1.
Sergei Shirokov
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I meant like your building a team in the real world. Heiskanen is legit. I would argue Ekholm is the best overall D on the Oilers despite Bouchard's elite offensive ability.
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Elite PP merchant and at coughing up pucks around his own net.
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The sad part is that the numbers are out there for everyone to look at. When they don't fit with your narrative or world view though.. Hell, numbers can't be trusted.
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