When the Shanaplan comes to an end…

[thewave]

Also they completely screwed two drafts.

Marner 15
Matthews 16
Woll 16
Lilgrin 17
Dermott 15

I don't think that would be completely screwed. Woll actually looks really good and Lilgrins development is hampered by Keefe who clearly can't develop anything.

 

[Its not your fault]

They should have traded Marner by now but they didn't. 10.9 for what he brings is just way too much. And he will only be looking to increase that aav in future.

Dubas was an absolute hack and Shanahan is a bigger trashbag for hiring dubas in the first place. Shanahan also had an extension ready to give to dubas until dubas put on a performance and punched his own ticket outta here. just goes on to show how bad of a judgment shanahan actually has



IMO thats not a bad thing to be honest.

- Draft high and have quality ELC (we still have '24 first rounder; '25 dubas traded away that one)
- may be marner's ask dwindels down after team doesn't make the playoffs, perhaps Matthews and Nylander too if they still haven't signed the extension.

Going for the cup run until tavares is still on the cap is a bad idea. IMO Leafs should just ride out the 2 years, and use this time to retool. Leafs are just not good enough to win the cup with tavares taking 11 AAV off the cap IMO

Marner inflates others stats with him alone you could trade high on one or 2 wingers a year and get way more total assets then just a one big marner trade. Let's trade 10.9 million to take on 10.9 million in other salary is that what your saying? Because they will go to the cap again marner or not lol. Or you know try a real idea and throw down a few fair trades... or can you do such a thing?

 

[Craig Button]

The Shanaplan was fine.
LL got too old.
Babcock was Babcock.
Dubas did okay with finding bargains.
Dubas did a poor job with Matthews contract.
Dubas did a poor job on Marner’s contract after he rejected Marner’s offer of 8.5M (I forgot the term) the previous year.
Dubas did a poor job with trading draft picks for rental players.
Dubas did a poor job not signing better coaches once they were available.

The only problem Shanahan had was he gave Dubas too much rope.
On top of that Dubas wanted more rope.

 

[Craig Button]

They haven't had this much young talent since the late 80s when they had a bunch of talent in their early 20s: Clark, Courtnall, Damphousse, Fergus, Gill, Iafrate, Leeman, Marois & Olczyk. That team screwed it up as bad as Dubas did this team, probably even worse.

A lot worse.
They weren’t even close to being good.

 

[Craig Button]

Marner 15
Matthews 16
Woll 16
Lilgrin 17
Dermott 15

I don't think that would be completely screwed. Woll actually looks really good and Lilgrins development is hampered by Keefe who clearly can't develop anything.

Drafting Dermott was stupid.

 

[Anthrax442]

Marner 15
Matthews 16
Woll 16
Lilgrin 17
Dermott 15

I don't think that would be completely screwed. Woll actually looks really good and Lilgrins development is hampered by Keefe who clearly can't develop anything.

My left foot could have drafted 34, 16 and 37

 

[thewave]

Drafting Dermott was stupid.

Well Craig, admittedly I wanted Aho if memory serves. I get it. He is an NHL player though

 

[TMLBlueandWhite]

The Shanaplan: To build a perennial cup contending team through a combination of smart drafting, low risk trades, and eschewing of expensive free agents.

How did it ever get like this?

You could pull out a checklist of all the things a team could do wrong and the Leafs will have ticked them all. It's just one failure after another. No depth or cap flexibility, poor trade and draft record, veterans brought in to replace younger players.

A long list of failures that never seems to end.

When all this is over, no one will ever admit to supporting it. In their shamelessness and venality the most resolute will renounce their faith. Those who made fantastical claims, wild accusations, or preached in faith of Shanahan will suffer amnesia.

Even his most servile will forget both his name, and the stupid plan that bears it.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

When B.Shanahan is eventually gone as President of the Toronto Maple Leafs, which statement would best describe his tenure as Leaf’s POHO?

How can we answer it now? He's still here

 

[centipede2233]

How can we answer it now? He's still here

I guess put your best projection glasses on

he’s been here for 9 yrs, that’s a good sample size for you to draw a conclusion

 

[Buds17]

The team is better now than it was prior to the Shanaplan. The debate obviously lies in whether or not "better" is good enough. As per the poll options, maybe #2???

 

[nuck]

OPTION #5. The Shanaplan was a catchy name given to letting the team tank and then initial patience in building it up. Various moves soon started to be made that reflected little patience (ie Lou's own rentals, JT signing) direction changes (we need massive experience with Cup winners in charge - wait we need no experience but with innovative rookies driving the bus) and finally with a gradual acceptance that other changes might be necessary but with no inkling of what they should be. One man's journey from stardom as a player to mediocrity as an overmatched executive.

I think whatever plan was in place has run its course and this new fork in the road is something else. Mission Shanpossible? Every season is a new roll of the dice as long as you have some talent and the right goalie. St Louis and Washington have shown us that you only have to be the best team for a few weeks to win it all. And it might not be with a group everyone else believes in. I can't wait for October 11th when the new plan explodes onto the scene.

 

[acrobaticgoalie]

I'm confused, what is the Shanaplan exactly?

*Tank and get #1 C, #1W, #1B-W, #2 dman, sign free agent #2 C at a premium
*Surround them with soft, timid, trash players
*Never, ever address the defence and trot out old men on retirement deals or cheap reclamations
*Never, ever address the goaltending and trot out other team's trash and hope for the best
*Hire rookie coach even though you could have hired the best goddamn coach money could afford
*Call out the core asking them to consider taking less money WHILE RFAs, then giving them ALL THE f***ING MONEY WHILE THEY WERE RFAs and not even lock them up for 8 years lmao


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How did we not address the defense? Muzzin and Brodie were both top pairing defenders coming here. McCabe is also a decent middle pair d man.

This is the best defense we've had since the McCabe and Kaberle era, which is what, almost 20 yrs ago? Remember when we had Mike Kostka on the top pair?

 

[Mitch nylander]

How did we not address the defense? Muzzin and Brodie were both top pairing defenders coming here. McCabe is also a decent middle pair d man.

This is the best defense we've had since the McCabe and Kaberle era, which is what, almost 20 yrs ago? Remember when we had Mike Kostka on the top pair?

Or the days of Jeff Finger, Garnett Exelby, and the corpse of Mike Komisarek being regulars on our d corpse.

Or the days of Keith Aulie playing 19 mins a game with Brett Lebda being a regular fixture.

Or even more recently, here's a d-core we ran in 2016 picking a random game:

Morgan Rielly - Martin Marincin
Jake Gardiner - Connor Carrick
Rinat Valiev - Frankie Corrado.

Martin Marincin played 29:45......

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You're right this is the best d we've had since the early 2000s.

 

[Larcos_Unal]

How did we not address the defense? Muzzin and Brodie were both top pairing defenders coming here. McCabe is also a decent middle pair d man.

This is the best defense we've had since the McCabe and Kaberle era, which is what, almost 20 yrs ago? Remember when we had Mike Kostka on the top pair?

Softest D in the league who couldn't move the puck vs Florida and regularly gets bullied in front of the net. It may be the best since McCabe/Kaberle era, but that's not because they're great, it's cause our D has been horrendous for the past 20 years.

 

[TheScandal89]

Id say its been a moderate success in the fact before him we were stuck in that 17th-25th finish were we missed the playoffs but still aren't getting good picks save #5's Rielly and Schenn and #7 Kadri.

The Fergie to Bukre era was the worst for sure. Burke was just not willing to be patient and not have a star player to start his build. He obviously made the wrong choice and we only made it to the playoffs the 1 time with his core. Fergie was just plain bad.

Now I say moderate because while Shanahan was able to do things at the time I thought was impossible, like bring in a premier coach like Babcock (at the time) and premier players like Tavares. We still have only won the 1 round despite making the playoffs basically every year.

Imo your team isnt a real success until they've won, so until then, I'll just say moderate.

 

[acrobaticgoalie]

Softest D in the league who couldn't move the puck vs Florida and regularly gets bullied in front of the net. It may be the best since McCabe/Kaberle era, but that's not because they're great, it's cause our D has been horrendous for the past 20 years.

We were one of the best defensive teams in the league this year. Our problem in the playoffs has mostly been due to our star players not showing up and scoring consistently. We've also had our goalies letting in soft goals in big games as well.

I don't see any of our playoff losses being on the defense

 

[Larcos_Unal]

We were one of the best defensive teams in the league this year. Our problem in the playoffs has mostly been due to our star players not showing up and scoring consistently. We've also had our goalies letting in soft goals in big games as well.

I don't see any of our playoff losses being on the defense

If we had a better overall team we wouldn't have to rely on 4 guys to literally do everything, you'd get contributions from everyone...even the back-end.

There are two seasons, regular and playoffs. Regular season success does not translate to playoff success (clearly), we get outmuscled far too often. Our ability to get the puck up to the forwards is a big problem and I'm hoping that Klingberg helps but he's a big risk.

Playoffs is big boy hockey, we don't have any big boys and that's why we had to keep having to trade for them every TDL.

 

[Larcos_Unal]

Outside of Rielly, nobody put up any offense.
Outside of Schenn, nobody played physical.

Too many f***ing guys waving their sticks out there, this is simply not good enough.