When does the Yzerplan start getting criticized?

[Lafleurs Guy]

File this under the Buffalo comment I made earlier, I don't understand why these guys aren't better. They've got some talent on that roster.

 

[nbwingsfan]

It was a bad value trade, but he's also on his 4th team in 3 years.

and Rantanen has been on 3 teams in like 2 months… it’s pretty meaningless

It was a horrid trade that simply can’t be defended

 

[StlBigFly]

Players pay tax, in the state each game is played in, they don’t get double dipped.

The paystub is for 2 weeks, and reflects this, also shows taxes he’s paid in each state YTD, doesn’t show he was taxed in his home state for every game.

There are other factors obviously as well. Marner pays much more taxes than Matthews for example, as long as Matthews isn’t in Canada for 1/2 year less a day.

Thank you.

feels like the world is full of more wrong information than right and I’m needing to improve on picking which is which lol.

 

[Dotter]

and Rantanen has been on 3 teams in like 2 months… it’s pretty meaningless

It was a horrid trade that simply can’t be defended

Context matters. Rantanen could have signed a long term contract, but refused. Walman doesn't get to make choices, he gets moved indiscriminately.

 

[nbwingsfan]

Context matters. Rantanen could have signed a long term contract, but refused. Walman doesn't get to make choices, he gets moved indiscriminately.

You’re right context matters.

STL traded him when he was a prospect and they were making a playoff run and wanted Leddy

SJ traded a good player for a 1st round pick when they’re purposely trying to lose

DET traded a good player on a team desperate for good D and paid a 2nd to do so for…… reasons??

 

[IWantSakicAsMyGM]

File this under the Buffalo comment I made earlier, I don't understand why these guys aren't better. They've got some talent on that roster.

There's some talent, but they also have Ben Chiarot playing over 21 minutes per game, and JT Compher in the top 6, so they need even more talent to push those guys into more appropriate roles.

For Buffalo, they have more high level talent, but their starting goaltender is pretty terrible and signed for 4 more seasons. I think the Avs demonstrated just how hard terrible goaltending is to overcome, even for a team with elite players.

 

[bov]

I'm a believer in Yzerman but he has made some mistakes. You can always hide behind the excuse of being patient and building through the draft, but there's no excuse for going this long without making the playoffs or at least trying to bolster your lineup to take that next step. Holl signing, ditching Walman for nothing, just not acquiring or signing the right blend of players...he hasn't played it perfectly.

That said, the Wings do have a great base of prospects and assets, so it's only a matter of time even though I say that every year. I still think he is one of the better GMs in the league despite Detroit underachieving during his tenure.

 

[SlapJack]

But they're literally competing for the playoffs. Both last year and this.

Also if they actually continue to struggle the rest of the season top ~5-7 draft odds aren't off the table considering how close the standings are.

Did they make the playoffs last year? Nope. And they aren't making it this year either. Sorry you're just finding that out now, but it's not happening.

 

[Golden_Jet]

Did they make the playoffs last year? Nope. And they aren't making it this year either. Sorry you're just finding that out now, but it's not happening.

It’s not over yet,

 

[WF19]

As a Wings fan it has been some painful years for sure. We do have some nice pieces but do need more. Annoyed nothing was done this deadline but do respect he isn't willing to mortgage the future just to make the playoffs and get bounced. Larkin, Raymond, Seider all are signed to team friendly contracts, Edvinsson is also a gamer as well as Kasper. They have Cossa, Augustine and Sandin-Pellika that are high end prospects to come in yet and a boat load of cap space. I've said they would make the playoffs the last few years and was disappointed but imo it's when Cossa is ready is when he'll make a splash in think anyways.

 

[Beukeboom Fan]

The study I don’t have like freely at my fingertips to link broke down the situation well. If I can recall it I’ll edit and provide that source but it’s something I read last year….

It is not simply the tax rate and that oversimplifies too far. Players care about their individual effective tax rate not the general statewide percentage. it is the combination of things one can withhold, and to be honest, a bunch of tax stuff I didn’t care to really read apart from looking at it and thinking okay that makes sense. High net worth taxation is not the same as traditional income level earners. They broke down specific active players and showed that it’s roughly a 10-12% difference. They compared multiple players to different tax environments. Not all were equally bad but on average the gap is substantial, based on the study. I’ll try to dig it up.

I believe this is the group that had the study but I don’t see the specific study. Instead, here’s a robust calculator that does even more than a study. It appears Detroit to Dallas is a 7% swing, so you were closer than I was. Still, if you’re simultaneously attracting the best talent and getting it 7% off…that’s broken imo. If you pick Toronto and a no tax team it’s like 15%. Kinda wouldn’t be down with this if I were the leafs.

Canadian teams already face exchange rate headwinds. It’s going to damage the nhl to give these Canadian groups such opposition to success. As the salary cap rises the impact of exchange rate challenges grows with it. To have these teams also really challenged to be competitive is bad. Detroit doesn’t have it as bad but to me it’s negligible how undesirable some place could be so long as a group of places maintain the significant advantage. 5% is about as bad as 10% is about as bad as 15 - once youre in the bad group you’re passed over no matter how bad it is - until enough talent has filled the slots in those beneficial areas, the you and the other 26 are picking through the scraps and paying more for them, some paying much more; others just a little more…. A terrible system that doesn’t appear to be sustainable.

Tax Calculator - Cardinal Point

Athlete Advisors

cardinalpointathleteadvisors.com

Just FYI, but that calculator assumes you play all 82 games in your "home state" so it doubles the impact. Each player pays tax in the municipality where the game is played. So Andrew Barkov pays Ontario tax when he's in TOR, and Mitch Marner pays US/FLA tax when playing in FLA.

It does get more complicated with signing bonuses and other tax strategies. At a high level, I'd be really wary of any simplified system because there is a ton of nuance.

 

[Bigtrout]

3 of those series wins and the SCF appearance came in one of the flukiest seasons of all time.

Im not saying otherwise but pretending Detroit didnt start their rebuild years before either Montreal or Columbus is just false

 

[SlapJack]

It’s not over yet,

Take a look at their schedule for the rest of the season and tell me how it looks. Sure I'd still have hope if I was a Wings fan, but I wouldn't put any money on it

 

[Mobiandi]

Probably time to fire him this summer