There, the Oilers are set-up to abuse LTIR too. Just like those gosh-darn cheating southern teams
E. Kane on LTIR until playoffs
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There, the Oilers are set-up to abuse LTIR too. Just like those gosh-darn cheating southern teams
Czechboy
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Please tell me we didn't leave money on the table and went to the cap with LTIR like the good teams do????
tarheelhockey
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Isn’t the idea to do this before the TDL so you can add a bunch of talent?
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Zirakzigil
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Wonder if some teams question this due to the rumors of him wanting to start playing now.
Nah, it will now be "shrewd hockey move".
Just like when Kassian, Kane, Perry, Bowman, etc., were added.
Just like when Kassian, Kane, Perry, Bowman, etc., were added.
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It's hilarious how some fans are so desperate to think this is the same as what Vegas does
Mr Positive
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No kidding. We didn't use the space. We are using it to carry extra players on the roster.
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Had surgery to repair two torn hip adductor muscles, two hernias and two torn lower abdominal muscles in September. He also had knee surgery Jan. 9 as a result of something during rehab.
If they wanna question this, then they better start scrutinizing the other teams even harder yet.
He is a competitor. Of course he wants to be playing.
Hopefully he can come back and make an impact but he might be close to retirement due to accumulated injuries now.
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Cheater cheatertins
But on a serious boat, I thought he was close to returning like 2 weeks ago ?
But on a serious boat, I thought he was close to returning like 2 weeks ago ?
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E. Kane said he'd be ready before the playoffs so the Oilers took him to their completely unbiased and impartial 'team doctor' who decides it's so apparent that Kane won't play again in the regular season that they had to issue a press release on the trade deadline.
Everyone knew the Oilers had no plans to use his contract against the cap when they delayed his surgery until the season started so I don't understand why the press release was needed - it just made it more sketchy. They could have just said he's still recovering until the playoffs.
It seems the press release was to shut E. Kane up.
Everyone knew the Oilers had no plans to use his contract against the cap when they delayed his surgery until the season started so I don't understand why the press release was needed - it just made it more sketchy. They could have just said he's still recovering until the playoffs.
It seems the press release was to shut E. Kane up.
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Isn't there something like 3.9 million in LTIR space left? Great job by Bowman.
Don't match the offer sheets to accrue cap at the deadline for a major add.
Spend assets to trade for lesser versions of Broberg and Holloway.
Don't use the available cap to add a 4C or goalie.
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Bowman said that the team was pressing for an answer but there was no certainty, but there was a final ask on deadline day and they said he's done till the end. If there were fudging of the timeline we are talking days, but it really seems like Kane might not play at the start of the playoffs either.
I know the timing is convenient but of course it is. There's no need for a solid answer until the do-or-die date so there wasn't one until then.
Basically if this process was honest or dishonest, the outcome would have been the same so there's no point in thinking this. Also our team has no history of LTIR funniness. We really should have done this with Kane last year and used his space
Divine
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That's completely false. He purposely delayed surgery for a few months to make the timing more beneficial. He then came back and started skating and said I feel ready to go and the team is like nope, you'll be ready to go during the playoffs. The team also spent his cap space before they got a decisive answer on it so he couldn't come back without them making a trade even if he was completely healthy.
Spin it how you want but there was no benefit to delaying surgery other than for this very outcome. It's impossible to fix a sports hernia without surgery. You're not going to convince anyone that they got 54 different opinions until they realized they needed to get surgery at the last possible second right before the season started and his cap hit would count.
If there was no cap he would be playing this season and would have got surgery right after the playoffs ended when everyone knew he needed it.
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Let's say there really isn't a point to delaying a surgery. I'm not sure how you know that for sure, but okay.
Is it so wrong to do that? When we are usually talking LTIR fraud we are talking about medical issues that aren't there or exaggerated. We are talking about players staying in rehab while being perfectly able to play. So this is a kind of fraud where the player has a totally real issue? I've never heard of that one.
Not only that but where's the pattern? Kane didn't play with the system last time. Even at the start of the season, the uncertainty around Kane was a factor in us not matching the offer sheets for Holloway and Broberg. We didn't use any LTIR space at all this season until this paltry amount right now, which we could erase by sending down extra players.
If you're not using the LTIR loophole you're just a bad gm, simple as. Not like the Oilers did anything to help McDrai, their hopes ride on Skinner and Nurse/Bouchard lmao.
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You need surgery to fix a hernia. There's no benefit in delaying it, it's not something that will get better through physical therapy. On top of that, Kane's injuries were listed as: two torn hip abductors, two hernias, and two lower abdominal muscles. The odds of him rehabbing and playing through all that with an offseason of rehabilitation was zero and everyone, including Kane, knew it.
It's clear that Kane didn't want this but the team did. That's been the battle all season. Kane thinks he's ready to go but the team can't afford it. No one is blaming Kane, everyone knows the Oilers are using LTIR to play the cap. Unfortunately for the Oilers, Kane has never been a 'team player' and it wouldn't be surprising if this isn't the end of the saga - even though the team is trying to shut him up with a redundant public press release. Why tell everyone a player that hasn't played all year won't play until the playoffs? Who's asking? It was simply so they could look at Kane and say sorry we already told everyone you won't be back until the playoffs when he pushes to play.
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I recall they were delaying some surgeries to do more assessment after therapeutic options for some of his issues, and that is a real possibility. Also I'd think that it might make sense to do surgeries apart rather than all at once so you can do a more focused rehab after. But on that I'm speaking with logic instead of knowledge
Regardless, I'm actually in favor of some kind of cap in the playoffs. That would catch any possible dirty tricks. I floated an idea that perhaps in playoffs, only dressed players count towards the cap. You can't have a simple cap continuation because there isn't a realistic mechanism to get under it during the playoffs. But, this way the team might still have some consequence of exceeding the cap
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They did all of his surgeries at once anyway - just when the season started instead of the offseason.
Yeah, I don't blame Edmonton for taking advantage of something that league allows, but let's not pretend like E. Kane was some genuine case.
As long as the league allows it, you're forced to do it because if you don't, someone else will. The on-ice roster should be under or at the cap for every playoff game. That would be the most fair way to do it.
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The fact it took so long for the situation to unfold I imagine the league investigated. Only plausible reason it took so long for the information to come out. Puckpedia shows them only using 900k of the Kane LTIR money
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They saved his knee surgery until January, which is why he isn't back yet. I don't know why it was delayed. Maybe it's for cap fudging. Maybe not. Sometimes these are optional surgeries. Maybe he didn't want to deal with it while recovering on all the other stuff.
I bet the GMs don't even have to compell a player to play ball, if there is fudging. They usually would want the team to add pieces.
I don't know if another team did more to show they weren't cheating though. The Oilers were even setting up a trade if the timeline of his return got in the way of making a deal.
hangman005
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Can you explain how a player would understand an injury timeline better than a doctor? Kane is barely skating at this point
