When does the Yzerplan start getting criticized?

[JoeThorntonsRooster]

Barkov, eichel, pietrangelo, bobrovski, forsling, reinhart and tkachuk

Stone, eichel, pietrangelo.


Makar, rantanen, MacKinnon, landeskog, Toews.

Kutcherov, Stamkos, vasilevski, hedman,



I could probably keep going. But I think I’ve proven my point.

“equal to or less than”

 

[ClydeLee]

Once Raymond and Seider were on the team they were not bad enough to get top 3 picks. That was the 21-22 season.

Perlini and Raty, not even sure what you are talking about. Hronek was our leading scorer the season after drafting Raymond, how can you not being any worse? We finished bottom 5.

Not raty, i forgot i mean Fabbri or Erne. Mostly nothing guys they added but Fans said it means they were trying to win

Didnt that next year they addd pieces like Nameskinov. Those were pieces added those years that had fans saying, we arent trying to be bad, we just are. Criticizing Yzerman is very valid to say he absolutely could of been bad on purpose those years. 20-21 and the years after.

In no way is it valid to say they couldn't have been worse. There were frequent red wings fans saying they were not tanking in those years... they could or traded a Hronek then or Mantha then and not waited on it.

 

[SirKillalot]

Not rate, i forgot i mean Fabbri or Erne. They added pieces like Nameskinov. Those were pieces added those years that had fans saying, we arent trying to be bad, we just are. Criticizing Yzerman is very valid to say he absolutely could of been bad on purpose those years. 20-21 and the years after.

In no way is it valid to say they couldn't have been worse. There were frequent red wings fans saying they were not tanking in those years... they could or traded a Hronek then or Mantha then and not waited on it.

I think the only criticisms one can say about Yzerman besides maybe giving out some contracts that were too long, is the fact that one didn't tank long enough.

Obviously tanking is officially not seen upon as something good for the league and you can't really say you are doing it, but probably should have waited one more season and hoped for a top 2-3 pick.

The other thing is maybe some of the guys signed did a bit better than expected.
While some on longer term done worse. That being said those guys are place fillers and there is too much emphasis on them being bad. Some one hoped would do better and maybe could work their way into being a player that would stay beyond being the place filler.

When it comes to Hronek or Mantha. I think Mantha one were waiting for when value is best. He was never an Yzerman-type player. Hronek was more of a does he become good enough to be a piece staying through the whole process or does he has the limits and becomes to old for his qualities to make it worth keeping him and trading him for more future. That took a bit of time I think to see or choose a direction whether him as an offensive defenseman would stick or not. Now he developed also more all-round qualities during his time and after, but guess it was determined he would be "too old" to keep for a projected time window of when a competitive team would be ready.

 

[JediOrderPizza]

Not raty, i forgot i mean Fabbri or Erne. Mostly nothing guys they added but Fans said it means they were trying to win

Didnt that next year they addd pieces like Nameskinov. Those were pieces added those years that had fans saying, we arent trying to be bad, we just are. Criticizing Yzerman is very valid to say he absolutely could of been bad on purpose those years. 20-21 and the years after.

In no way is it valid to say they couldn't have been worse. There were frequent red wings fans saying they were not tanking in those years... they could or traded a Hronek then or Mantha then and not waited on it.

Wings fans thought adding "I'm never healthy" Robby Fabbri and 4th liner Adam Erne was trying to win? Yzerman to me when he adds pieces like that are trying to get the team more competitive but I dunno about winning. Hoping it helps the team not to get stuck in bottom dwellar purgatory. Could it then lead to them getting stuck in middle purgatory? Maybe, but we haven't see enough of the prospects yet to determine that.

Everyone looks at todays rosters and assume, yeah this is his final product, complete failure. Fire him.

I just can't get with that, it's been a painful build but until I see bust after bust after bust and then the team is still not close. Then we have issues.

 

[Kegs]

It looks like he’s building a franchise that will be stuck in the mushy middle with no real high end forwards but potentially some D that have a shot of getting there.

To be fair didn’t he inherit this middling team?

“equal to or less than”

Sorry sir. I read wrong. Literally every team that won the cup had way better pieces. And lots of them. Cup teams generally have a few hall of famers on them.

 

[WetcoastOrca]

To be fair didn’t he inherit this middling team?


Sorry sir. I read wrong. Literally every team that won the cup had way better pieces. And lots of them. Cup teams generally have a few hall of famers on them.

True. But isn’t his job to build a contender.

 

[Dotter]

To be fair didn’t he inherit this middling team?


Sorry sir. I read wrong. Literally every team that won the cup had way better pieces. And lots of them. Cup teams generally have a few hall of famers on them.

I would argue Yzerman inherited the worst team in modern history from front to back, top to bottom, loaded with debilitating contracts and trash. It took 3 years just to clean that up.

Then Yzerman follows that up with drafting Seider and Raymond who arguably could be the best players of their respective draft despite not having a #1 pick. That extraordinary and amazing GMing'. I think that is part of the reason why this thread is full of haters.

 

[Kegs]

I would argue Yzerman inherited the worst team in modern history from front to back, top to bottom, loaded with debilitating contracts and trash. It took 3 years just to clean that up.

Then Yzerman follows that up with drafting Seider and Raymond who arguably could be the best players of their respective draft despite not having a #1 pick. That extraordinary and amazing GMing'. I think that is part of the reason why this thread is full of haters.

#6 and #4 are very high draft picks though. Has he drafted anyone worth talking about with a late pick?

 

[SirKillalot]

#6 and #4 are very high draft picks though. Has he drafted anyone worth talking about with a late pick?

Has anyone else done it?

 

[Dotter]

#6 and #4 are very high draft picks though. Has he drafted anyone worth talking about with a late pick?

Review all the late round players drafted by every team from 2019-2024 and tell me who is worth talking about.

 

[Czechboy]

So let's say 14 guys make the team

I enjoyed your post but this part had me confused (which isn't hard to do)

Are you saying that you think 14 of the players drafted from 2019 to 2024 will make the NHL?

 

[odin1981]

O'Reilly was 31st in league scoring and won the Selke Trophy, awarded annually to the National Hockey League forward who demonstrates the most skill in the defensive component of the game. The winner is selected by a poll of the Professional Hockey Writers' Association following the regular season.

While I don't doubt that Raymond (45th in league scoring, while sporting a 19 % shooting percentage) will surpass O'Reilly's high point watermark, it remains to be seen if he will surpass his overall impact.

When is the last time a winger won the Selke? I would say you are really hedging your bet. I am also not saying that Raymond is Selke worthy either though.

 

[Golden_Jet]

I would argue Yzerman inherited the worst team in modern history from front to back, top to bottom, loaded with debilitating contracts and trash. It took 3 years just to clean that up.

Then Yzerman follows that up with drafting Seider and Raymond who arguably could be the best players of their respective draft despite not having a #1 pick. That extraordinary and amazing GMing'. I think that is part of the reason why this thread is full of haters.

I don’t see Seider or Raymond arguably being #1 in their draft currently or likely to get there.