When does the Yzerplan start getting criticized?

[BB88]

He’s been the GM since 2019
Edmonton was in the bottom of the league in 2006 or 2007 I believe (somebody can fact check for me)

Took them 10 years to get back into the playoffs and be relevant. Also helped they got some luck in drafting McDavid.


Rebuilds take time. Get over it, just because you’re used to finishing quickly doesn’t mean that’s how a franchise’s roster and prospect pool is rebuilt in the same timely fashion.

Yes because everyone knows Edmonton is the model franchise to look up to and compare every rebuild…..

Detroit started drafting in the top10 in 2017 and had Larkin, their 1C in the system and are still nowhere to be seen but yes great work by them

 

[Pavels Dog]

Yes because everyone knows Edmonton is the model franchise to look up to and compare every rebuild…..

Detroit started drafting in the top10 in 2017 and had Larkin, their 1C in the system and are still nowhere to be seen but yes great work by them

Why are you talking 2017 in the "let's hate on yzerman" thread?

 

[nbwingsfan]

So you’ve decided to jump full on to fantasy land and if if if plan.

Maybe you should just sell Larkin, he’s 28y already and the way you are doing it you’ve wasted his entire prime in this rebuild and will need to look for another 1C….



Again I say cute if you think you are in any way build the same way as those teams.

You seriously have to even ask with how Eichel- Marchessault- Stone played?

Both Eichel& Marchessault played at Conn Smythe level and RoR won Selke& Conn Smythe during Blues run & Detroit isn’t build even close to the same as them

Of course the Wings aren’t built the same. Because all of their best players/prospects are 23 and under and outside of 3 aren’t even on the damn yet

You do realize that YOU would have been called crazy if you picked Pastrnak to be a top 10 forward when he was drafted… and then he became one …

You literally writing off forwards who are 22 years and under… including one who was drafted 4th overall, is above where Pastrnak was at the same age.

Why are you talking 2017 in the "let's hate on yzerman" thread?

Because he’s starting to realize how poor his argument is and is wildly reaching at this point.

 

[Dotter]

I'll ask.. do you feel Raymond will be at a Panarin/Kucherov/Pasta/Matthews/McD/Drai/MacK/Stevie Y/Fedorov tier at some point in his Red Wing's career?

No. Probably more inline with Henrik Zetterberg level. A player you can build a cup team around. Not elite like McDavid tho-

 

[Beukeboom Fan]

A new GM probably wouldn't have a new strategic vision but could probably be better tactically at all of the things that a GM does -- starting by maybe signing good players in UFA to reasonable contracts instead of bad ones to bad contracts!

I also don't see how a team that signs Kane and Tarasenko to a combined $10m in the offseason is doing anything other than trying to compete this year.

Kane and Tank on short term deals don't inhibit the Wings going forward. SY didn't think the young kids were ready, so hopefully that changes next year.

 

[Dotter]

When a GM lands both of Seider at #6 and Raymond at #4 who are some of the best in their respective draft, then he just bought himself an additional 4 years.

Those two picks alone proves Yzerman is one of the best GMs in the league. It's clear to anyone paying attention that yzerman isn't shooting for short term mid success. He's trying to build another dynasty. That takes time.

His prospect pool looks pretty dam deep. Only needs to hit on a few key players. I think Cossa is going to be one of those key players.

 

[Czechboy]

No. Probably more inline with Henrik Zetterberg level. A player you can build a cup team around. Not elite like McDavid tho-

Perfect comparison.. totally agree

 

[Beukeboom Fan]

The fact that they haven't been able to even get cups of coffee despite the NHL club severely lacking talent is not a good sign, especially considering the volume of picks they've had in that time frframe.

Feels weird to defend the DRW, but SY and the organization aren't known for giving guys a cup of coffee. IMO, the 2019/20 ish guys should be ready for the roster, and there will be spots available next year.

Just one of those cases IMO where it's OK to be optimistic, that is what being a fan is all about.

 

[Oddbob]

1/3 of the cap on tarasenko chiarot Holl compher kane is beyond ass

2 years and 1 year left on all of those. WOW so long.

Pietrangelo is a heck of a D man too. There’s a reason why both St. Louis and Vegas win Cups with him as their anchor. Yzerman has not been able to bring in players at the elite level of Eichel and Pietrangelo. Vegas was able to get both those guys via trade and free agency. Vegas added Stone via trade too. I just don’t see that level of elite player on Detroit.

Weird how a rebuilding team isn't adding Pietrangelo or Eichel!

 

[Oddbob]

Of course Seider has more points, Hedman's career started off very slowly. That's why it's a nonsensical comparison. Hedman was a very slow starter who kept making consistently obvious big improvements until he hit his prime. Seider on the other hand started off very well and it's unclear how much he's actually improved if at all from his rookie year. He's tracking closer to Ivan Provorov than Hedman. Another guy that everyone assumed would just keep improving because he was young but it never happened.

Hedman started out extremely slow but broke through in his age 23 year after a couple seasons. Seider (like Myers) had a truly amazing rookie year and won the Calder, but (also like Myers) has taken significant strides back in the two years since.

As for the cap, Yzerman had to attach a second to move Walman (Yzerman signing) and give away Fabbri for free (Yzerman signing) in order to sign Raymond and Seider this summer. Add that to $3.4M Holl (Yzerman signing) and $2M Gustafsson (Yzerman signing) alternating in the press box and $3.6M Husso (Yzerman signing) playing in Grand Rapids. They're capped out this year, trying to compete this year, and there are a lot of extremely bad contracts Yzerman himself has signed hindering them from competing this year.

Back to back people saying Seider of course outscored Hedman only because he had a slow start. Like Hedman is the only player that can improve, while Seider can't.

Seider hasn't dropped off at all from his first season, except by some false HF mainboards narrative.

 

[TheDoldrums]

Back to back people saying Seider of course outscored Hedman only because he had a slow start. Like Hedman is the only player that can improve, while Seider can't.

Seider hasn't dropped off at all from his first season, except by some false HF mainboards narrative.

Right Seider hasn’t dropped off except for both his point production and advanced stats declining. What evidence do have for him improving?

Of course players besides Hedman can improve. The reason you will get pushback on this ridiculous comparison is because Seider entered the NHL as a solid player who won the Calder. Hedman entered the NHL as an inconsistent player not close to a Calder who steadily improved each season. You are comparing Seider to Hedman as wish fulfillment when their careers have been nothing alike so far.

 

[Frobbo]

No. Probably more inline with Henrik Zetterberg level. A player you can build a cup team around. Not elite like McDavid tho-

Still need Datsyuk...

 

[Cursed Lemon]

Seider has very clearly been put on a leash by Lalonde. The swagger from his first season has been completely neutered.

 

[Oddbob]

Right Seider hasn’t dropped off except for both his point production and advanced stats declining. What evidence do have for him improving?

Of course players besides Hedman can improve. The reason you will get pushback on this ridiculous comparison is because Seider entered the NHL as a solid player who won the Calder. Hedman entered the NHL as an inconsistent player not close to a Calder who steadily improved each season. You are comparing Seider to Hedman as wish fulfillment when their careers have been nothing alike so far.

Didn't say improving, just that he isn't dropping at all. He has been used much harder against top line competition since his rookie season and still put up similar stats. He also was only 10 pts shy of of his career high last year with more often than not 2nd pp duties. With 1st pp duties all season last year I have no problem believing he hits 50 pts last year.

You and others are comparing him to players like Myers when Myers was never all that good, other than his 1 40 pt season. Seider is 3 for 3 at 40 pts while last year having among the hardest matchups in the whole league. You are also just stat watching and using lame advanced stats which plenty of the time tell you very little how a player is doing.