People will troll about Copp and Holl still while most Wings fans are eyeing the thing that matters. The prospects.If the wings miss the playoffs this year, what are we saying about Yzerman
You’re seriously telling me that ROR (Selke winner, 31st in scoring in his Cup year), Eichel (10th place scoring finish in his last full year in BUF), and Stone (11th place scoring finish and Selke finalist 2 years before Cup) are equal to or worse than Raymond/Larkin, neither of whom have ever finished as high in scoring as even ROR in his Selke year?Blues? Vegas?
I believe Larkin is equal to ROR and Eichel in his cup form yes. He's been a PPG center for three seasons now.You’re seriously telling me that ROR (Selke winner, 31st in scoring in his Cup year), Eichel (10th place scoring finish in his last full year in BUF), and Stone (11th place scoring finish and Selke finalist 2 years before Cup) are equal to or worse than Raymond/Larkin, neither of whom have ever finished as high in scoring as even ROR in his Selke year?
Ryan O'Reilly had a career high 77 points in 82 games when he was 27...in what world has Larkin ever come close to that??I believe Larkin is equal to ROR and Eichel in his cup form yes. He's been a PPG center for three seasons now.
Watch him play.
It's not the model I would follow, I answered a question is all. We don't know what we have yet.seeing people bring up the same 1-2 teams that arguably won without elite talent over and over again in this thread is honestly so tiresome
personally even if for the sake of argument you assume the Wings have comparable players like people keep insisting i'd actually like a higher bar than "these 2 examples in the past couple decades prove that it's not literally impossible for my team to win!"
It's not the model I would follow, I answered a question is all. We don't know what we have yet.
Take a look at the league scoring rates in the years they did that. Eichel (and Stone)‘s scoring placements were not comparable at all to Larkin’s. ROR’s we’re, but he won a Selke.Ryan O'Reilly had a career high 77 points in 82 games when he was 27...in what world has Larkin ever come close to that??
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Oh wait, that's right, here in the real world Larkin has had 69 in 71, 79 in 80 and 69 in 68 the past 3 season as a 25, 26, and 27 year old. Meanwhile, the "superstar" Jack Eichel had a career high 82 points in 77 games 6 years ago. Now granted, Eichel is doing well to start this season, but just because he was drafted #2 overall, doesnt make him this elite tier player compared to Larkin.
What else are you supposed to do without lottery picks falling in your lap? Just wish them into existence?seeing people bring up the same 1-2 teams that arguably won without elite talent over and over again in this thread is honestly so tiresome
personally even if for the sake of argument you assume the Wings have comparable players like people keep insisting i'd actually like a higher bar than "these 2 examples in the past couple decades prove that it's not literally impossible for my team to win!"
Guys like Copp and Holl are still relevant to the discussion. Getting prospects is easy though, the league is setup to funnel the best ones to teams missing the playoffs. On the other hand, it's a poor sign that a GM will be able to build a competitive team out of said prospects if he's frequently bombing free agent signings.People will troll about Copp and Holl still while most Wings fans are eyeing the thing that matters. The prospects.
This defense needs a god damn overhaul tho. I'd like to see a move on that finally.
You're right it's not irrelevant, I just don't care all that much about those. There have been good like Gostisbehere, Perron, Kane, Compher, Fischer, and Maatta. It's not all bad.Guys like Copp and Holl are still relevant to the discussion. Getting prospects is easy though, the league is setup to funnel the best ones to teams missing the playoffs. On the other hand, it's a poor sign that a GM will be able to build a competitive team out of said prospects if he's frequently bombing free agent signings.
Detroit has created a great time line, they have internal development while also having chips stacked to turn the corner.People will troll about Copp and Holl still while most Wings fans are eyeing the thing that matters. The prospects.
This defense needs a god damn overhaul tho. I'd like to see a move on that finally.
Envious as a Senators fan, we have no more help coming and no picks or prospects to bring help in.
Why are you talking about thing that happened years before they won the cups? lol.You’re seriously telling me that ROR (Selke winner, 31st in scoring in his Cup year), Eichel (10th place scoring finish in his last full year in BUF), and Stone (11th place scoring finish and Selke finalist 2 years before Cup) are equal to or worse than Raymond/Larkin, neither of whom have ever finished as high in scoring as even ROR in his Selke year?
You’re right, totally overlooked on my part.I’m surprised you’re so down on Carter Yakemchuk.
You’re right, totally overlooked on my part.
A top four right handed defensemen on an entry level contract that can become a #1RD is franchise altering. I’m a little more optimistic with that in mind.
He peaked out at 33rd in points one time, it's not like he's a Selke guy to make up for it.Oh wait, that's right, here in the real world Larkin has had 69 in 71, 79 in 80 and 69 in 68 the past 3 season as a 25, 26, and 27 year old. Meanwhile, the "superstar" Jack Eichel had a career high 82 points in 77 games 6 years ago. Now granted, Eichel is doing well to start this season, but just because he was drafted #2 overall, doesnt make him this elite tier player compared to Larkin.
I like Larkin, but Eichel is a bad comparison. As is O'Reilly's peak years.I believe Larkin is equal to ROR and Eichel in his cup form yes. He's been a PPG center for three seasons now.
If the wings miss the playoffs this year, what are we saying about Yzerman
1. Why do you “need” a Barkov/Mack/Eichel to win?
2. Larkin and Eichel have been pretty damn similar the last two seasons…
I doubt anyone in their organization assumed they’d be in the playoffs by now. They missed last year by one point. You’ve got an interesting view of “the bottom”.I've been critical of it for months, maybe even a year at this point.
I don't think he's a good GM, I think he's done a terrible job, he's been their 5 years they should be a playoff team by now.
Any other GM in any other sport would be fired by now.
But It's Yzerman, and It's Detroit so that's not going to happen, nobody in Detroit is going to fire arguably the greatest Red Wing.to ever live, It's either him or Howe.
And because that's not going to happen the Red Wings aren't going to get better.
They use to be the class of the NHL.
Now they are stuck at the bottom.