When does the Yzerplan start getting criticized?

[canuckslover10]

He should have stuck to two year deals with his ufa signings.

 

[Oddbob]

Edvinsson was so terrible in game 1 of this season. Worst player on the ice.

He was not the worst. Gustafsson was the worst and it wasn't close.

 

[Hockeyfan2390]

If the Red Wings don’t make the postseason this year, then Yzerman has to be on the hot seat.

Nobody else would get this long in a serious hockey market. At some point, “incremental improvement” isn’t good enough.

 

[Pens x]

Yzerplan sucks

 

[jackjohnson]

Yzerplan sucks

Yzerman is overrated as GM. Similar how HFboard hyped the hell out of Chyka when he was Coyotes GM only for them to never make playoffs except the covid year when they got swept. This board always gets excited for teams with full of young players who are still raw with no real veteran leadership to show them the ropes. You need good trades, good players not just drafting high potential players.

 

[jackjohnson]

There was a fantasy that Yzerman could routinely pick out the next Brayden Point or Nikita Kucherov in the late rounds and build a contender quickly. Also he inherited Stamkos and Hedman and he had nothing in Detroit other than Larkin to build around, who's not on their level.

He's done an ok job, but has the team in no man's land it looks like, trying to save his job with veteran signings. He has Patrick Kane and Vladimir Tarasenko in key top 6 roles right now for example. The contracts they signed are fine, but how does this team contend any time soon with a situation like that?

Arguably the Sharks are in better spot right now going forward and there's been few GMs maligned as much as Grier on these boards. Just need to get lucky in the lottery really if you want to be a contender, the scouting is so good these days impact youngsters go early and Detroit had poor lottery luck.

Well Oilers have been lucky 4 times drafting 1st overalls and drafted the 2 best players in the world plus Bouchard, Hopkins etc. They havent won anything after a decade and still have weaknesses. As i said, you need more than good drafting to win a cup. You need good trades, good developement program, good coaches and assistants. Does Detroit have all of that after 5 years of Yzerman? I dont think they have.

 

[RedHawkDown]

Yzerman is overrated as GM. Similar how HFboard hyped the hell out of Chyka when he was Coyotes GM only for them to never make playoffs except the covid year when they got swept. This board always gets excited for teams with full of young players who are still raw with no real veteran leadership to show them the ropes. You need good trades, good players not just drafting high potential players.

This would make sense if the team was actually full of young players. All we have is shitty veteran leadership and only 2 young players. Everyone else is buried in the minors.

 

[jackjohnson]

This would make sense if the team was actually full of young players. All we have is shitty veteran leadership and only 2 young players. Everyone else is buried in the minors.

Well thats also another problem. Not sure what Yzerman is doing. I feel like Canucks being built by crappy management still managed to ger ahead of Detroit when it comes to development if you compare the timeline of when they actually
started rebuilding. Detroit still doesnt have their franchise goalie and an elite center or 2. Canucks had Markstrom and Demko before giving Markstrom up. Not to mention Hughes, Norris winner and 2 elite 100 point centers. Not sure what Detroit has outside of Larkin, Raymond and Seider in NHL plus some high potential prospects in Edvinsson etc.

 

[Pavels Dog]

I'm also not a huge fan of the Kasper/Danielson picks for them. Both will end up good NHLers, but thought it would have been smarter for them to take swings at guys with higher upside, given their terrible lottery luck (which isn't Yzerman's fault) didn't gift them any elite talent.

Who knows what their ultimate upside will be, but Kasper looked fantastic in preseason and the fanbase's biggest problem with Yzerman right now is that Kasper isn't on the NHL roster.



He started the AHL season with 1+1 last night.

Well thats also another problem. Not sure what Yzerman is doing. I feel like Canucks being built by crappy management still managed to ger ahead of Detroit when it comes to development if you compare the timeline of when they actually
started rebuilding. Detroit still doesnt have their franchise goalie and an elite center or 2. Canucks had Markstrom and Demko before giving Markstrom up. Not to mention Hughes, Norris winner and 2 elite 100 point centers. Not sure what Detroit has outside of Larkin, Raymond and Seider in NHL plus some high potential prospects in Edvinsson etc.

Canucks core is basically from 2014-2018, with Miller as a veteran piece from 2011.
Detroit's core is going to be 2019-2024 (ideally) with Larkin as a veteran piece from 2014. Different timelines.

 

[BB88]

Agree with all of this.

Giving SY the benefit of the doubt - the deals to Kane & Tarasenko are only 1/2 years deals respectively. There are a couple marginal longer term deals (Compher, Copp), but those guys are decent roster filler.

Right now - the Wings have 4 proven "core" players on the roster - Larkin, Debrincat, Raymond, & Seider. I know that SY was starting from scratch - but after 5 years I think it's fair to say that you'd hope for more than that. The Wings are going to make it or break it on the next generation of prospects ability to step up and contribute. The huge challenge is the scope of what is needed. Looking forward to seeing how this shakes out.

That’s honestly a bottom tier core to build around

 

[Ulysses31]

he's batting 1000 for all his 1st round picks so far, sure ed had a rough game but i think he will come around.

kasper, cossa, seider n raymond all money. danielson n ASP i think it's too early to tell.

hes been mediocre at best with UFAs.

GOOD:
-shrewd 1st round picks
-great at getting good deals for this RFAs

BAD:
-while I can understand he is trying to build a team 1st culture, has had some clearly bad UFA signings and a few mediocre 1s

AVERAGE
-trades. think hes has gotten a bit unlucky with some players that looked like good trades at first (getting walman from st.louis n vrana from WASh, husso was decent gamble) . wouldn't call his trades bad, but haven't worked out well either.

Overall grade: B. I think rebuild will hinge largely on players he has drafted, and he has drafted some good players. While progress has been slow, I think next yr or the yr after they will b a perenial 95 point plus team

 

[Ulysses31]

He jumped the gun on mediocre free agent signings instead of continuing to build through the draft.

maybe by 1 year. could have did 1 more yr of tanking instead of signing copp n co. that said they got a great player in kasper that draft.

ultimately they did continue to build through the draft IMO, that is why the prospect pool is brimming with talent. they signed the fillers to give them time to develope.

 

[Ulysses31]

Lots of young guys there so likely the owner gives Yzerman one more season. If they continue to be bad then Yzermsn will be shuffled to a job like President or something.

think the leash atm is this yr plus 2 more

 

[nbwingsfan]

If the Red Wings don’t make the postseason this year, then Yzerman has to be on the hot seat.

Nobody else would get this long in a serious hockey market. At some point, “incremental improvement” isn’t good enough.

Incremental improvement from last season likely puts them in the playoffs this season tho…?

 

[Peasy]

Incremental improvement from last season likely puts them in the playoffs this season tho…?

Rebuilding teams progression is definitely always linear

Weird how Buffalo didnt make the playoffs last year after missing them by a point the year before...

 

[OtherThingsILike]

Yzerman is overrated as GM. Similar how HFboard hyped the hell out of Chyka when he was Coyotes GM only for them to never make playoffs except the covid year when they got swept.

Sort of - the Coyotes won their first playoff series that year against the Predators, but then lost to the Avalanche in five games.

 

[Pavels Dog]

That’s honestly a bottom tier core to build around

Good thing that's not the core I guess?

 

[nbwingsfan]

Rebuilding teams progression is definitely always linear

Weird how Buffalo didnt make the playoffs last year after missing them by a point the year before...

It has been linear every single season since he took over so…?

The guy literally said “incremental improvement isn’t good enough” yet that puts them in the post season this year (which is the goal) so yes it is quite in fact “good enough”

 

[Fatass]

think the leash atm is this yr plus 2 more

Doesn’t that add up to a decade of losing? In Tampa Yzermsn had true superstars to build around. Yes, he wasn’t there when the club won, but he did have great players. Currently the Wings don’t have that level of player. It’s highly unlikely drafting 7-15 is going to get a guy of that level either, which is probably where they will be drafting. IMO the Wings are where the Oilers were, and other rebuilding clubs, back when they had a young Hall, Eberle, Nuge. They were missing the superstar level guys. They had to trade away much of that club and sink to the bottom and rebuild again.

 

[dragonballgtz]

He was not the worst. Gustafsson was the worst and it wasn't close.

Gustafsson is gonna be like Holl... making bank to sit in the press box.

 

[raymond23]

It is and will get plenty of criticism from Detroit fans if this year goes poorly

We are in game 2 of the season and Ben Chiarot is quarterbacking our pp2

Its laughable and quite sad for a team that is on year 8 without the playoffs

 

[Dempsey]

I don't know where they're going to get their gamebreakers from. When you get to the playoffs you need a MacKinnon, or Barkov, or Eichel even. People bring up the prospects that they have but the problem is that every single team in the NHL has players already on the roster or prospects of that level, even the bottom feeder teams do.

 

[raymond23]

I don't know where they're going to get their gamebreakers from. When you get to the playoffs you need a MacKinnon, or Barkov, or Eichel even. People bring up the prospects that they have but the problem is that every single team in the NHL has players already on the roster or prospects of that level, even the bottom feeder teams do.

Gamebreakers aren't our problem. You guys can keep sleeping on Raymond but when he puts up 90+ points you'll understand that the top of our lineup can compete with anyone. Not to mention Larkin who doesn't get nearly the respect he deserves. Our top of the lineup is fantastic

Its when they're off the ice that this team is in BIG trouble

 

[Dempsey]

Gamebreakers aren't our problem. You guys can keep sleeping on Raymond but when he puts up 90+ points you'll understand that the top of our lineup can compete with anyone. Not to mention Larkin who doesn't get nearly the respect he deserves. Our top of the lineup is fantastic

Its when they're off the ice that this team is in BIG trouble

Fair enough, you guys know your team better than I do. I still maintain that the prospects they have coming will become players that every average team has and won't be real needle-movers. You never know though.

 

[Ulysses31]

Doesn’t that add up to a decade of losing? In Tampa Yzermsn had true superstars to build around. Yes, he wasn’t there when the club won, but he did have great players. Currently the Wings don’t have that level of player. It’s highly unlikely drafting 7-15 is going to get a guy of that level either, which is probably where they will be drafting. IMO the Wings are where the Oilers were, and other rebuilding clubs, back when they had a young Hall, Eberle, Nuge. They were missing the superstar level guys. They had to trade away much of that club and sink to the bottom and rebuild again.

big diff tho IMO is those oilers all went straight to NHL. SY b like don corleone holding his cards back as long as possible for developement purposes.