Auston Marlander
I was in the pool!!
So if he has a slightly better team than when he took over that doesn't make playoffs you'll be happy keeping him around? How long does that last?When the team is as bad as when he took over
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So if he has a slightly better team than when he took over that doesn't make playoffs you'll be happy keeping him around? How long does that last?When the team is as bad as when he took over
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I think this was compounded when teams expected to regress like Washington and Boston really haven't.The goal this year was to be better than last year and be competitive in the playoff hunt until the end.
The team is currently doing exactly that. Sure they are on a huge losing streak where they haven’t at all resembled the team that went on a tear and had an 8 point lead in the wild card position a few weeks ago, but nonetheless they are still in the hunt for a spot.
Do I think they make it? Realistically no. I think they are playing pathetic right now. Do I think it is the GM’s fault? No I don’t. It really seems that there is something going on in the locker room and the coach seems to be making weird line up decisions.
Does Yzerman get a lot more heat next year if this is the same situation? Yes I think we can revisit this next year if this team isn’t in a playoff spot and has a major regression in the standings compared to where they finish this year.
That's loser talk.
That garbage belongs in Buffalo or Ottawa or Minnesota, where there is no historic standard of success and winning.
Hit me up when Buffalo shows up the first half of a season. Literally hear the same shit every march/april about them looking like next year is the year they finally make the playoffs.The thing is Buffalo has better underlying numbers than the Wings. Red Wings are buoyed by having the second highest shooting % in the league 5v5. They are a mirage to be as high as they are in the standings.
Buffalo also have more young core players. Its more likely than not that they surpass the Wings next season. Same with New Jersey. I take both of those rosters over the Wings. Both of those teams have more young roster players that could take a step forward next season.
You can talk about prospect pools, but the Wings only have one roster defenceman under the age of 28. Raymond is the only forward on the roster that likely has any potential to improve. Every one else is basically 27-28+.
I don't see a team that is on the verge of turning the corner.
I didn't say it was the same situation. I said that you were probably saying Harbaugh should be fired in 2020. And I'm saying you calling out Yzerman now will look similar.Not even close to the same situation or even the same sport.
I feel like I was the only person on this board not in love with Yzerman in TB/when he came to Detroit, and I think he is far from some god level GM, but my god people just don't get it.
It's like you answer your own question but still can't get it. The plan is to draft and develop. Despite HFBoards overall obsession with children, it is still way too early to know if that is working or not.
2019: Has a case for the 2nd best player from the draft. Other players still developing just fine.
2020: Has a case for the best player from the draft. Other players still developing just fine.
2021: 1st round draft pick has been developing nicely, but its still to early to know if he's good or not because he is being developed.
Like, feel free to use hindsight and build your dream-team from 1 player from every round of the draft since he took over and realize that team would still suck. Again, HFBoards overall obsession with children might think they might not suck, but they would be wrong
Ok please show us an example of an acceptable record from the last 5 years. I'll wait.I don't want to hear anything about "developing".
Steve Yzerman has been GM since April of 2019, and has been in charge of 5 Drafts. Only two of his draft picks are regular NHL players in 2024. That's not good enough five years into his tenure.
In general I agree, and it's a fantasy that there's some amazing executive out there you can simply hire and turn your team around, at least now that we are deep into the salary cap era. You simply need to get elite talent for many years, and the easiest way to do that is the top of the draft. Even in Tampa the cups were powered by Stamkos and Hedman. And I don't really believe there's any GM with such an amazing edge they can find Kucherov in the 2nd round reliably.He can only play the hand he was dealt.
As an outsider he's played that hand pretty well.
Yes, they're technically "in the hunt", but the fact that they routinely start games with absolutely no urgency whatsoever (and got dominated in their "easy" games against the Coyotes, Sabres and Penguins and against the Blue Jackets in the 1st period) means this roster is completely put together wrong, that their coach absolutely sucks, or a combination of both.The goal this year was to be better than last year and be competitive in the playoff hunt until the end.
The team is currently doing exactly that. Sure they are on a huge losing streak where they haven’t at all resembled the team that went on a tear and had an 8 point lead in the wild card position a few weeks ago, but nonetheless they are still in the hunt for a spot.
Do I think they make it? Realistically no. I think they are playing pathetic right now. Do I think it is the GM’s fault? No I don’t. It really seems that there is something going on in the locker room and the coach seems to be making weird line up decisions.
Does Yzerman get a lot more heat next year if this is the same situation? Yes I think we can revisit this next year if this team isn’t in a playoff spot and has a major regression in the standings compared to where they finish this year.
Ok please show us an example of an acceptable record from the last 5 years. I'll wait.
It takes time. Don’t think yzerman has failed at all. Some of his free agent choices have been a little miffing.
Blah blah blah, expansion teams, blah blah not responding to the inquiry.The Vegas Golden Knights, who didn't even exist when the Red Wings were last in the playoffs, have been in the Stanley Cup Final twice and won it once while being in the playoffs every year.
The 2nd year Seattle Kraken were within a game of the 3rd round last season.
Like I said, Steve Yzerman was brought back to Detroit to be special - not a run of the mill GM.
So if he has a slightly better team than when he took over that doesn't make playoffs you'll be happy keeping him around? How long does that last?
His first and second first round picks are just finishing their elc’s. Not sure what you can expect. It was a complete gut job rebuild of an old festering rotten foundation leftover from the previous admin.
@Hockeyfan2390
Every situation is different and you probably know that. This isn’t a EA sports franchise.Would you be allowed to be approaching six years in your profession before you start producing meaningful results?
Of course not. I sure wouldn't. Why do these sports executives get unlimited runway?
Because we are looking at how the sport works, not making ridiculous comparisons to other jobs, and see that time and time and time again when teams try to rush it they end up with mediocrity at best forever.Would you be allowed to be approaching six years in your profession before you start producing meaningful results?
Of course not. I sure wouldn't. Why do these sports executives get unlimited runway?
I don’t think it’s as much as a roster building issue as it is a coaching issue.Yes, they're technically "in the hunt", but the fact that they routinely start games with absolutely no urgency whatsoever (and got dominated in their "easy" games against the Coyotes, Sabres and Penguins and against the Blue Jackets in the 1st period) means this roster is completely put together wrong, that their coach absolutely sucks, or a combination of both.
It would have been one thing for them to be in the hunt and losing close games and looking like they give a damn. Right now, most nights they look like a team not interested in playing and hoping to get a head start on their offseason vacations.
Steve Yzerman has been GM since April of 2019, and has been in charge of 5 Drafts. Only two of his draft picks are regular NHL players in 2024. That's not good enough five years into his tenure.
Ok please show us an example of an acceptable record from the last 5 years. I'll wait.
The Vegas Golden Knights, who didn't even exist when the Red Wings were last in the playoffs, have been in the Stanley Cup Final twice and won it once while being in the playoffs every year.
As if the NHL is crawling with regulars from the '21, '22, '23 drafts and ours are the ones that didn't hit.I don't want to hear anything about "developing".
Steve Yzerman has been GM since April of 2019, and has been in charge of 5 Drafts. Only two of his draft picks are regular NHL players in 2024. That's not good enough five years into his tenure.
206 of those games and 64 of those points are from Krebs. 2 of those players are NHL "regulars".So we go from:
Yzerman's drafts from 2019 onward suck --> Show us who is better --> VEGAS GOLDEN KNIGHTS!
Krebs, Korczak, Dorofeyev, Brisson, Cormier, Dean have combined for 318 NHL games and 111 NHL points.