When did you know it was over for this group?

[sunstersun]

Habs series was when it was truly depressing and bleak.

Losing the capitals and bruins is like expected, columbus was fluky covid year and then we had a golden opportunity with the habs after tough matchups and nope.

 

[Leaf Fans]

Yep when they lose this series it is over.

If they lose the series, you think there will be changes to the core.

 

[sunstersun]

If they lose the series, you think there will be changes to the core.

You gotta ship Nylander or Marner out. I wouldn't re-sign tavares for 4mil at this rate.

 

[Drytoast]

lol these fans...

I suspect there will be changes maybe Nylander. But M & M are not going anywhere.

 

[Leaf Fans]

You gotta ship Nylander or Marner out. I wouldn't re-sign tavares for 4mil at this rate.

If they decide to change the core possibly. Or Matthews if the team doesn't know if he will re-sign.

 

[Trapper]

Yup, I'm a die hard Leafs fan and love when they win, and hate when they lose and very critical of my team when they make poor management decisions.

19 years between playoff wins is a lot of material to be critical of analyzing.

"Never say never to a Paul Maurice coached team" I would always say,

PS. Don't know where people think I like Dave Nonis, as he was Burke's right hand man and I was simply releived when Burke was fired.

Not every poster is in the same place.
There is a big difference between a 1-5 year Leaf fan to a 10-15 year Leaf fan and 30 year + Leaf fan.
Not a difference in wanting to win the Cup, but things you have come to like and don’t for sure.

 

[Stephen]

If they lose the series, you think there will be changes to the core.

If they lose the series to Florida, you just kind of wonder what the ultimate pay off for the Big 4 actually is. Do we always have to be this not-always-motivated-all-world-skill-group-struggling-to-fulfill-its-potential?

Why can't we just modify the core and have a well motivated, organized team with skill and balance? Why can't we try it?

 

[Leaf Fans]

If they lose the series to Florida, you just kind of wonder what the ultimate pay off for the Big 4 actually is. Do we always have to be this not-always-motivated-all-world-skill-group-struggling-to-fulfill-its-potential?

Why can't we just modify the core and have a well motivated, organized team with skill and balance? Why can't we try it?

We can try it. Even if I were against trying it, I would have no authority to stop or start it. I am just a fan like everyone else.

 

[hfman]

Depends on whether the players want to win or not.

Lots of guys play hard to win because they dream about winning a cup.

Other players don't want the cup that bad. So they say screw this, I'm not putting out all my energy and my body on the line for a trophy I don't need that bad.

Look at the top 4 in Toronto.

Of the big 4 guys, what side of the coin do they fall on?

The side that says they play their hearts out, sacrifice their bodies and put up with the physical and mental pain and push themselves to the limit in 4 consecutive rounds to win a cup?

Or the other side, which says that a cup isn't THAT important to them, so why should they sacrifice their body and health and over-exert themselves for a prize that isn't all that important to them?

Sure the cup is the ultimate goal but not to every player in the league. That's just an honest and rational take on it. Not every player needs a cup. Especially considering the (unreasonable?) effort and risks involved

Looking at the 4 top guys... I see at least 3 of them who fall on the latter side of the coin. They can win the cup... or not. Not that important to them.

Just the way it is. They aren't the only ones. Hell most players aren't interested in the sacrifices required to win it all - it just isn't worth it to them so they end up losing the series instead of battling on.

Why kill themselves for a trophy that doesn't mean that much to them on personal levels when they can hit the cottage early?

Sure it's supposed to be that these are professional athletes and they play to win it all but this is real life and it's not that way. They aren't all there to win. It's rare to compose a team of 20 guys who ALL want it.

Toronto doesn't have 20 guys who all want it. I'm having a hard time picking out even 5 guys on this team who look like they really NEED to win the cup.

 

[TonsofPuppies]

Another thread that should basically just be merged with the Crow thread.

r/agedlikemilk

The amount of people in this forum who are celebrating one first round victory in two decades like it's a Stanley Cup shows just how low the expectations are for this team. Has to be the most cucked fanbase in pro sports. Complete loser mentality from the management, to the coaches, to the players, to the fans. Embarrassing.

 

[Eternal Leaf]

Gonna be awkward when they win the Florida series.

 

[leafs in five]

r/agedlikemilk

The amount of people in this forum who are celebrating one first round victory in two decades like it's a Stanley Cup shows just how low the expectations are for this team. Has to be the most cucked fanbase in pro sports. Complete loser mentality from the management, to the coaches, to the players, to the fans. Embarrassing.

lol welcome back, can't imagine how difficult the period between game 6 and game 1 was for you

 

[GoBuds14]

This team is more than capable of coming back, give them a chance

 

[Dekes For Days]

Why can't we just modify the core and have a well motivated, organized team with skill and balance? Why can't we try it?

We already have a well motivated, organized team with skill and balance. Throwing away our core doesn't make us better, and it won't fix unrealistic expectations or incorrect perceptions. Why can't we try cheering for our team that is currently in a 2nd round playoff series that is far from over?

 

[TonsofPuppies]

lol welcome back, can't imagine how difficult the period between game 6 and game 1 was for you

I would describe it as apathy. I don't get excited for victories or angry about losses. I just don't care that much, hence my lack of posting here. I used to post regularly (on an old account).

Having said all that, I honestly think that the best outcome would be for them to be swept by Florida so that the team can finally move on from this management and core. However, knowing the Leafs, I would not be surprised to see them push the series to 7 just so Kyle can gush about what resiliency they had to make it a series after falling behind 0-2, then we can run it back again with the same core next year. It never ends.

 

[leafs in five]

I would describe it as apathy. I don't get excited for victories or angry about losses. I just don't care that much, hence my lack of posting here. I used to post regularly (on an old account).

well good timing that you weren't around for the good vibes of April and have resurfaced for the doom and gloom of early May

 

[TonsofPuppies]

well good timing that you weren't around for the good vibes of April and have resurfaced for the doom and gloom of early May

Good vibes. Lol. I guess if you're naive. I haven't gotten any "good vibes" from this group in years, because I'm not foolish enough to fall for their grift anymore.

 

[WillyC]

It’s like narcissism… they don’t even realize how they come across.

They want the sweep for Dubas and Keefe to fail… coming back from 2-0 to win the series would be bad for a doom and gloom thread like this.

 

[Mess]

The Leafs began the 2nd round of playoffs in the final 8 as the odds on favourites to win the Cup on Fanduel sports-betting and now .,,.

"The Edmonton Oilers are next with +500 odds to win the Stanley Cup, followed by the Florida Panthers at +550, Dallas Stars at +600, and the New Jersey Devils at +750. The longshot contenders to win the 2023 Stanley Cup include the Toronto Maple Leafs at +800 odds and the Seattle Kraken at +1700".

The Leafs sit at near bottom with only Seattle have longer odds of Cup success of the final teams.

That is why is often referred to as a "results oriented business" and its actual results and not perceived results on expectations that determines success and failure of this group of current players. You're not Cup contenders only on paper, but rather what you achieve on the ice that is the final judge of success and failure in terms of winning the Cup.

 

[IPS]

What a stupid f***ing thread to keep alive while the Leafs are still in the playoffs.

 

[ULF_55]

This team is more than capable of coming back, give them a chance

If they come back and win this series, there won't be many changes.

There should be one non-player change though.

Other than that, there are going to be changes to players regardless.

I'd be okay with:

Knies-Matthews-Nylander
Jarnkrok-Tavares-marner
% - O'Reilly - %
% - Kampf - %


McCabe - Liljegren
Rielly - %
Schenn / Giordano / Timmins

 

[Mess]

This team is more than capable of coming back, give them a chance

Their odds of coming back from 0-2 down based on historical NHL results is 13%.

The mathematical actual odds as of today May 6th am .

Being down 0-2 in series #2 puts their Cup winning odds at 6.8% the 2nd lowest of the remaining 8 teams.

 

[Dekes For Days]

Their odds of coming back from 0-2 down based on historical NHL results is 13%.
The mathematical actual odds as of today May 6th am .

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Being down 0-2 in series #2 puts their Cup winning odds at 6.8% the 2nd lowest of the remaining 8 teams.

Your own image has them at 23.6% to win the series, and there have been 5 teams to come back from 2 game deficits to win in the past 5 playoff rounds. Not sure why you're talking about cup odds, in response to somebody talking about series odds.

 

[Mess]

Why can't we just modify the core and have a well motivated, organized team with skill and balance? Why can't we try it?

Florida traded 30 goal 115 point winger Jonathan Huberdeau for current 40 goal 109 point powerforward Matthew Tkachuk AFTER winning the President's trophy.

Now the Panthers are a better balanced team on grit and skill.

I'm with you 100% and wonder why so many are so hesitant to break up an unsuccessful core if they don't win it all this year.

 

[Dekes For Days]

Florida traded 30 goal 115 point winger Jonathan Huberdeau for current 40 goal 109 point powerforward Matthew Tkachuk AFTER winning the President's trophy.
Now the Panthers are a better balanced team on grit and skill.

Actually, Florida traded Huberdeau, Weegar, and a 1st for Tkachuk, and even though he's an extremely rare, top-tier return that was only available because he forced his way out, Florida is still a worse and less balanced team that's heavily missing the defense they traded away.

I'm with you 100% and wonder why so many are so hesitant to break up an unsuccessful core if they don't win it all this year.

Ironically, you just gave an argument against it, because you're talking a lot about Florida, but Calgary is the one who traded a mid-20s top-tier core player who had previously been labelled a playoff choker.