When did you know it was over for this group?

Gary Nylund

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My apologies if you already walked this statement back and I missed it.

There are eight teams left and the Leafs are favoured in their series and the favourite overall to win the cup. That has to meet the criteria to be defined as cup competitive, no?
I always tell people to look at what the bookmakers are saying when their views seem to contradict them. Then I get yelled at, told that the betting lines don't mean anything etc.

So many people said the series was over after game 1 and again after game 5. I told them where they could get 4 thousand dollars on a thousand dollar investment if they were so sure, I wonder if anyone went down that road. I haven't heard anything though, so who knows? :dunno:
 
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Dekes For Days

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Fun fact: Leafs are now top-10 in the league in playoff point percentage over the past 3 years, and have only lost to Stanley Cup finalists. Could move up to 8th tonight.

Also the 4th best playoff goal differential in the league over that time.
 

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Fun fact: Leafs are now top-10 in the league in playoff point percentage over the past 3 years, and have only lost to Stanley Cup finalists. Could move up to 8th tonight.

Also the 4th best playoff goal differential in the league over that time.
I’m also the 2nd hottest guy in a golf foursome with Brad Pitt, David Beckham and Thor. So what.
 

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My apologies if you already walked this statement back and I missed it.

There are eight teams left and the Leafs are favoured in their series and the favourite overall to win the cup. That has to meet the criteria to be defined as cup competitive, no?
Is winning a playoff series once every 6 years considered Cup Competitive?

The Leafs just achieved the same thing of winning a single playoff round as the 2nd year recent expansion Seattle Kraken who took out the Stanley Cup champs. So in that context and at this point in time I don't see how not being able to win the Cup theory has been proven or disproven. :wg:

Lets see what happens next but having teams like record setting Bruins and Cup defending champs Avs on the sidelines already that Leafs didn't have any part in other then make their path to the Cup easier now but sure helps make the Leafs task easier when others take out the best teams for you. :)

This brings up a good point the Leafs are now favoured to win based on odds makers, so will they be able to win the CUP and silence all doubters as favourites, or fall to an underdog and join the others on the sidelines before its all over and have to answer to what went wrong this time round in a year of the upsets.
 

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You don't need to be the 'best team in the league' to win the cup. There have been many years where the Leafs were better than how quickly they were eliminated and they didn't get any points for that. On the other hand, the 'best regular season' team doesn't always win the cup but we remember the cup winner a lot more than the regulare season winner.

This year Boston was better all year but..oops, they weren't good enough in the playoffs. Through one round, Toronto IS good enough.

The past failures in the first round are over. Now the field is wide open. They have a Florida team now that finished well behind them in the standings. After that they either have an upstart NJ team who doesn't have a proven goalie they are playing, or a Carolina team that is missing Svechnikov. Go get em.
 

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Is winning a playoff series once every 6 years considered Cup Competitive?

The Leafs just achieved the same thing of winning a single playoff round as the 2nd year recent expansion Seattle Kraken who took out the Stanley Cup champs. So in that context and at this point in time I don't see how not being able to win the Cup theory has been proven or disproven. :wg:

Lets see what happens next but having teams like record setting Bruins and Cup defending champs Avs on the sidelines already that Leafs didn't have any part in other then make their path to the Cup easier now but sure helps make the Leafs task easier when others take out the best teams for you. :)

This brings up a good point the Leafs are now favoured to win based on odds makers, so will they be able to win the CUP and silence all doubters as favourites, or fall to an underdog and join the others on the sidelines before its all over and have to answer to what went wrong this time round in a year of the upsets.
Obviously the better teams won their series, ( the playoffs prove it) so I don't see how the path is easier.
 

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I get that this thread was brought back to life, to mock those who are the ones who panic after one first round loss, and seven games in the regular season... but let's not go there. We've only won a singular series, and have a long way to go. Don't get too excited, don't get too down over small samples, singular games, several games.....
 

Gary Nylund

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Is winning a playoff series once every 6 years considered Cup Competitive?

The Leafs just achieved the same thing of winning a single playoff round as the 2nd year recent expansion Seattle Kraken who took out the Stanley Cup champs. So in that context and at this point in time I don't see how not being able to win the Cup theory has been proven or disproven. :wg:

Lets see what happens next but having teams like record setting Bruins and Cup defending champs Avs on the sidelines already that Leafs didn't have any part in other then make their path to the Cup easier now but sure helps make the Leafs task easier when others take out the best teams for you. :)

This brings up a good point the Leafs are now favoured to win based on odds makers, so will they be able to win the CUP and silence all doubters as favourites, or fall to an underdog and join the others on the sidelines before its all over and have to answer to what went wrong this time round in a year of the upsets.
Why are you shifting the goalposts. Eight teams left and the Leafs are favoured in their series and the favourite overall to win the cup. isn't that cup competitive?

You don't need to be the 'best team in the league' to win the cup. There have been many years where the Leafs were better than how quickly they were eliminated and they didn't get any points for that. On the other hand, the 'best regular season' team doesn't always win the cup but we remember the cup winner a lot more than the regulare season winner.

This year Boston was better all year but..oops, they weren't good enough in the playoffs. Through one round, Toronto IS good enough.

The past failures in the first round are over. Now the field is wide open. They have a Florida team now that finished well behind them in the standings. After that they either have an upstart NJ team who doesn't have a proven goalie they are playing, or a Carolina team that is missing Svechnikov. Go get em.
Yup. You get no points for being the best, and who's to day who's best anyway? You win 4 rounds, you win the cup, that's it.

I get that this thread was brought back to life, to mock those who are the ones who panic after one first round loss, and seven games in the regular season... but let's not go there. We've only won a singular series, and have a long way to go. Don't get too excited, don't get too down over small samples, singular games, several games.....
Come on don't say that man, I'm still buzzing from taking over the world in November. ;)
 
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I knew it was over for this group when we didn't throw everything we had, starting with Knies, to bring in Kane from Chicago, and then again when we didn't throw an entire draft class to get the highly relevant Jeannot....

......... but I'm feeling much better now. ;)
 
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I get that this thread was brought back to life, to mock those who are the ones who panic after one first round loss, and seven games in the regular season... but let's not go there. We've only won a singular series, and have a long way to go. Don't get too excited, don't get too down over small samples, singular games, several games.....
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For me, it was the infamous "The Leafs lost to a 42-year old zamboni driver, who works for them" game against CAR in 2020. I personally see that game as not only the most humiliating loss in Leafs history, NHL history, hockey history, but all of sports history (if anyone has one that's worse, please share it for the sake of my morbid curiosity). It was not only the loss of that game, but the fact that Sheldon Keefe cancelled practice the following day, presumably so that the players wouldn't have to face scrutiny from the media. Lastly, Kyle Dubas claiming that the opposing team losing both of their starting goaltenders and so you get to shoot for half the game on a human shooter-tutor is a "no win" situation.

People like to meme and joke about this game and it's obvious why, however, if you look at it from a serious perspective, that 24 hour span truly shows how incompetent this organization is, top to bottom, from its soy-infused GM, to its cowardly coach, to its soft, gutless players. And sitting at the top of shit mountain is Shanahan, the carnival barker, who always somehow manages to escape criticism but should also be gone for allowing this obvious circus to continue unabated for his entire tenure. This organization is completely lacking in accountability and has been for years. We saw this ugliness rear its head again just recently when Keefe had to walk back his (perfectly valid and 100% correct) criticisms of his pampered prima donna stars. The inmates run the asylum in Toronto and this has been obvious to me for years. I'm glad other people are finally waking up to this fact.

You want change and success in Toronto? This entire organization needs to be gutted, top to bottom. Shanahan needs to go, Dubas needs to go, Keefe needs to go and this core needs to be blown into unrecognizable pieces. Then you start building from the ground up once more. Yes, it's horrendous luck (and just so Toronto) that when they finally draft and develop and hit on so many great picks that they all turn out to be spoiled immature children that worship at the shrine of failure when it comes to team success, but continuing to "run it back" for years and years with the same result is an even bigger L that is entirely self inflicted and completely unnecessary.
LOSER MENTALITY

That goes for a lot of people in this "fan"base
 
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Is winning a playoff series once every 6 years considered Cup Competitive?

The Leafs just achieved the same thing of winning a single playoff round as the 2nd year recent expansion Seattle Kraken who took out the Stanley Cup champs. So in that context and at this point in time I don't see how not being able to win the Cup theory has been proven or disproven. :wg:

Lets see what happens next but having teams like record setting Bruins and Cup defending champs Avs on the sidelines already that Leafs didn't have any part in other then make their path to the Cup easier now but sure helps make the Leafs task easier when others take out the best teams for you. :)

This brings up a good point the Leafs are now favoured to win based on odds makers, so will they be able to win the CUP and silence all doubters as favourites, or fall to an underdog and join the others on the sidelines before its all over and have to answer to what went wrong this time round in a year of the upsets.
Moderator huh?
What do you moderate? Leaf fan enthusiasm?

I love Nyland shoving it in the faces of all the negative a-holes here. And trying to point out its only 1 series is pathetic and laughable. Guys like nyland and me have been leaf fans longer than most of you have been alive - we know God damn well where we see and what lies ahead. Shove it
 

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I suppose they're "Top 10" in the league due to the fact they have qualified over the past 3 years.
Qualifying for the playoffs doesn't give you a good playoff winning percentage. Winning games in the playoffs does.
 
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Is winning a playoff series once every 6 years considered Cup Competitive?

The Leafs just achieved the same thing of winning a single playoff round as the 2nd year recent expansion Seattle Kraken who took out the Stanley Cup champs. So in that context and at this point in time I don't see how not being able to win the Cup theory has been proven or disproven. :wg:

Lets see what happens next but having teams like record setting Bruins and Cup defending champs Avs on the sidelines already that Leafs didn't have any part in other then make their path to the Cup easier now but sure helps make the Leafs task easier when others take out the best teams for you. :)

This brings up a good point the Leafs are now favoured to win based on odds makers, so will they be able to win the CUP and silence all doubters as favourites, or fall to an underdog and join the others on the sidelines before its all over and have to answer to what went wrong this time round in a year of the upsets.
the Leafs are one of the top performing teams in the NHL over the past 3 years. They are one of eight remaining teams (third highest ranked in regular season), just knocked out a dynasty of our era and favoured to win the cup. That's not in "contention for a cup"?

Why reduce it down to "winning one round in six years"? They won't be cup champions until they win win...I don't see how you could describe them as anything but in contention for a cup right now though.

Let's not play slippery though....how about you tell us what a cup contender looks like and who they are.
 

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the Leafs are one of the top performing teams in the NHL over the past 3 years. They are one of eight remaining teams (third highest ranked in regular season), just knocked out a dynasty of our era and favoured to win the cup. That's not in "contention for a cup"?

Why reduce it down to "winning one round in six years"? They won't be cup champions until they win win...I don't see how you could describe them as anything but in contention for a cup right now though.

Let's not play slippery though....how about you tell us what a cup contender looks like and who they are.
They have always been contenders, that's what's been disappointing to the fans.
Here's hoping this year is diifferent, so far so good!
 

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