Whats wrong with Russia !!!

[Knave]

Wow - going back 40+ years - that's quite a reach. Try and stay in the same century with us.

Someone asked for a link, and I provided. Do you have anything relevant to add???

Seems like the answer is no since he's incapable of distinguishing heat of the moment (a dumb play/penalty during a hockey game) from conscious choice.

 

[Wings4Life]

Well i just wrote a long post and then lost is...so i will make this a short one.

What the **** is wrong with Russia ??
" We did not play with passion and was not motivated " said Znarok....

How can this happen (and it has happen before..)
I just dont get it..with all this talent...its a shame it really is....

Its not the loosing but how they loose...


A Canadian or a Swedish Coach? I think they have to start to think different regarding the NT.

It would be interesting to know what russian guys here at the forum think..what does the media say? How do they resolve this..

I am so sad..you coud sense it from the second periode that the were going to loose...its like they dont care somtimes...of 10 games only one good periode the first against Sweden..other than that this was indeed a very very bad tournament from Russia...

Not sure about coaching nationalities etc, but we definitely need a new coach. Znarok needs to go, coaching was a big problem for Russia. From another thread:

As predicted from the start, separating all of our elite wingers (Kovalchuk, Tarasenko, Panarin, and then Ovechkin) from our only elite center (Malkin) was a recipe for disaster, and one of several critical errors by Znarok.

Sure, Kulemin and Mozyakin fill their roles well against lesser nations, but both (especially Kulemin) are way out of their element against elite Canadian players. A guy like Tarasenko can actually generate offense for himself (but much more so if he's paired with an elite C like Malkin, as we saw on the PP during the tournament). Is Kulemin ever going to dangle through traffic? Is Mozyakin ever going to beat his man by driving hard from the outside?

Znarok isolated Malkin (who had to put up an amazing individual effort for us just to get by a decent Swedish team) and it cost us in many big games: against Finland, against USA part 1, against the Slovaks, and ultimately in the gold medal game.

What's worse, by doing this Znarok also isolated all 4 of our good scoring line wingers. When it came out that Anisimov was playing injured, we should have loaded up the Malkin line. Instead, Znarok spread out the scoring depth so thinly (across all 4 lines) that it disappeared altogether.

To top it all off, when Znarok finally got desperate and started line shuffling, he put Ovechkin with Malkin...as if Sochi didn't prove that the two have anti-chemistry going on, making each other play worse. Hope Znarok is gone after this joke of a performance.

Not that I believe we would have won this game, even with Mike Babcock at the helm. We were missing all of our decent Dmen, so our bad D got a lot worse. But we could have played Canada a lot closer than we actually did, I mean a bad Czech team basically lost 2-0 with a disallowed goal, due to half-decent coaching. Znarok by comparison is a bad joke.

 

[Devils Trap]

But you can see a rather large group of Russians heading for the exits here, with Ilya Kovalchuk leading the way.

Of course... Kovalchuk is used to leaving things before they are finished

 

[Davebo*]

ok



those darn canadians sure don't like ankles, eh?

Bizarre - neither incident involved Russia - and neither were Hockey Canada teams. So I'm left even more baffled why you're sharing your ankle fetish with us?

Of course... Kovalchuk is used to leaving things before they are finished

 

[Drury_Sakic]

It's the disrespect post-game that I can't wrap my head around. Win or loss - act like men.

The post game ceremony lasted too long.


Should they have stayed out, yes...but it was like 15 min or more until they got around to the national anthem.

Again, should they have stayed, probably...but that is forever to stay out after getting trounced in a championship game.

 

[Do Make Say Think]

Too reliant on the KHL

 

[MikeK]

Of course... Kovalchuk is used to leaving things before they are finished

A few reports claim kovalchuk was seen waiving the players off the ice. Really says a lot about the guy if true.

 

[Do Make Say Think]

Seems like the answer is no since he's incapable of distinguishing heat of the moment (a dumb play/penalty during a hockey game) from conscious choice.

Have you watched the 72 Summit Series?

The slash on Kharlamov was premedidated (the coaches have admitted to telling Clarke to do it) and there was no penalty

As far as the no class from a bunch of the Russians after the loss: not wanting to get too political on here but there's a lot of bad blood between Russia and the West these days and it's seeping into things like hockey. I never expected to see politics influence behaviour in hockey like that, not in the 21st century.

 

[Knave]

Have you watched the 72 Summit Series?

The slash on Kharlamov was premedidated (the coaches have admitted to telling Clarke to do it) and there was no penalty

Did you see his other videos?

And back on you go.

 

[Theokritos]

Bizarre - neither incident involved Russia - and neither were Hockey Canada teams. So I'm left even more baffled why you're sharing your ankle fetish with us?

Which second incident are you referring to other than 1972 Summit?

BTW it was a Hockey Canada team back in '72 and of course Russia is the successor of the USSR. Not that it's relevant in any way, shape or form for Team Canada 2015.

The slash on Kharlamov was premedidated (the coaches have admitted to telling Clarke to do it) and there was no penalty

Clarke actually got 2+10 for the slash.

 

[Rob]

The IIHF has said that the team is now facing possible sanctions.

 

[Frank the Tank]

A few reports claim kovalchuk was seen waiving the players off the ice. Really says a lot about the guy if true.

[Mod]

On a serious note, does anyone have a link to the post-victory footage? NBCSN cut away right after the win so us ex-pats were unable to view the celebration.

 

[Alexander the Gr8]

Russia needs to develop more Dmen, get a great coaching staff and become more disciplined as a team.
Kovalchuk is a sore loser. Respect to those who stayed out for the ceremony.

 

[Bakayoko Ono]

They got beat by a superior hockey team.

 

[Thegreatwar]

I was rooting for Russia (because canadian arrogance ... ), and I was very mad because Russia was getting totally destroyed and looked like they were snowshoeing around the rink rather than skating (slow).

Then I rewatched the game the next day and it was actually much more even than I remembered, and Canada's speed wasn't so otherworldly as it had seemed. The huge shot differential had a lot to do with Canada shooting at every opportunity, even when they weren't really dangerous.

Russia's defensemen aren't very good; I noticed during several games that they mess up the behind-the-net bank pass thing and end up hitting the back of the net Canada's forwards were faster and combined better. I agree with the Russian posters bemoaning their crappy development. I mean, in Soviet times, you would have four lines of fast, skilled forwards; now you have slow grinders like Plotnikov and no two-way centers like datsyuk or Larionov.

Are there any good coaches in Russia? It seems like every national team coach since forever has been blasted for being terrible. Why don't they know how to put their lines together?

 

[rick hawk]

Russia needs to develop more Dmen, get a great coaching staff and become more disciplined as a team.
Kovalchuk is a sore loser. Respect to those who stayed out for the ceremony.

One of those that stayed was Ovechkin, I believe. On more than one occasion he's shown that he has a lot of class. Good for him.

 

[Talus]

Russia is okay. Frankly, they got a silver medal in a year where Canada brought the best team they've ever assembled at this tournie. By far. If Ovie and Malkin cash on their glorious scoring chances early, maybe the game plays out differently. Probably still would have lost, but maybe the game ends up 5-3 or something and people aren't jumping off the Russian machine.

if the Americans got the first goal it would likely be a US Canada final.

 

[Talus]

two things are sure to change in Russian hockey,that coach is gone and Kovi will never captain another Russian team.

 

[Callista Rhian]

The Russian team was simply outclassed. Canada has put enough into development to be able to field two - hell, maybe even three - competitive teams if necessary. The Russians haven't. Strictly speaking, I feel that the Russian team actually had more star players than the Canadian team - the difference was in the supporting cast. And the D - oh lord the D. This was Canada's B/C defense, and the Russians were nowhere close to matching it.

Also, the utter lack of class and respect shown by the majority of the Russian team was ridiculous. I would have thought that Kovalchuk would have enough respect for the people he used to play with/against, but apparently not. Good for Geno, Ovie, and Tikhanov, who stayed out last, as well as the other 5 (Dadonov, Tarasenko, Mironov, Kulikov, & Panarin) who at least stayed for the medal ceremony.

 

[Oilers4life1987]

Who were the russians that appeared to want to stay on. Say ovie there but whom else?

 

[Villert]

Who were the russians that appeared to want to stay on. Say ovie there but whom else?

Ovechkin, Malkin, Tikhonov and Kulikov is who I was able to make out. There could have been and probably were others though.

 

[Guided by Veseys]

They play like they are a team of superstars who don't need a systemic approach. Unfortunately they don't have the best talent in the world so they get wiped. Only Canada can play that system and come close, though often failing at the junior level. So coaching I guess.

 

[Tavares91Stamkos91]

Who were the russians that appeared to want to stay on. Say ovie there but whom else?

Ovechkin, Malkin, Tikhkonov, Kulikov were definite yes. I'm positive that Anton Belov stayed too.

 

[Alexander the Gr8]

Ovechkin, Malkin, Tikhkonov, Kulikov were definite yes. I'm positive that Anton Belov stayed too.

Tarasenko stayed out as well.

 

[canucksfan]

Russia needs to develop more Dmen, get a great coaching staff and become more disciplined as a team.
Kovalchuk is a sore loser. Respect to those who stayed out for the ceremony.

Their back end is terrible. Years ago they had a very good defense. It has only been in the last 10-15 years that their defense is horrendous.