What's the upside to Blackhawk's young Defenceman

[Cubs2024wildcard]

Does anybody remember when the Hawks had that all time goon squad team? When the other teams were signing guys right out of bars because the Hawks had such over the top goon depth? Why don’t the Hawks just replicate that for the next couple years?

 

[Space umpire]

And Nolan Allan is going to be the best of this rotten bunch

Do you really think they’re rotten or is it just you being … you?

 

[Space umpire]

Next years’ defence

1-Seth Jones
2-Connor Murphy
3-Nikita Zaitsev

8-Isaak Phillips
10-Filip Roos
12-Jake Galvas
11-Alex Vlasic
14-Louis Crevier

5-Kevin Korchinski
7-Ethan Del Mastro
9-Nolan Allan

RFAs
4-Caleb Jones
Ian Mitchell
13-Alec Regula

UFAs
6-Jarred Tinordi
Andreas Englund
Adam Welinski

Other Possibles
Vili Saarijarvi
Wyatt Kaiser
Slava Demin

If anyone not currently in the NHL or AHL is an NHL regular next year it will be an organizational failure.
5 - 7 - 9 and Kaiser should not touch NHL ice. Let them develop the right way. At least 1 year in the A when their amateur play is done and maybe 2.

 

[Mrfenn92]

I predict that Mitchell, Galvas and Regula will request a change of location. Roos will probably give it another year, sounds like he has Euro options though. I kind of like what I saw from Englund the few games he played and Tinordi does serve an enforcer role which is important It would be nice lose Connor Murphy at some point in the near future.

Think the first might even go unqualified. Could be wrong but the numbers game is adding up for Rockford. Not sure the hawks see any future nhl ability in those three. Do like Galvas myself personally.
Roos sticks next year at least halfway through and then both sides might exercise the option of unconditional waivers.
Englund and Tinordi I think only one sticks with the big club.
Murphy can still eat minutes. Maybe they are hoping for a McCabe situation for him deadline time next year.

 

[Northernhawk]

Top 20 defencemen as of today


SIGNED
Seth Jones

Connor Murphy

Nikita Zaitsev

Isaak Phillips
Alex Vlasic
Wyatt Kaiser
Filip Roos
Louis Crevier

FREEA AGENTS
Caleb Jones RFA
Ian Mitchell RFA
Alec Regula RFA
Jakub Galvas RFA
Vili Saarijarvi RFA

Jarred Tinordi UFA
Andreas Englund UFA
Adam Welinski UFA

AMATEURS
Kevin Korchinski
Ethan Del Mastro
Nolan Allan

Slava Demin UFA

I see a 2023-24 defence as follows

SJones
CMurphy
NZaitsev
CJones qualified/resigned for one year
KKorchinski

IPhillips
AVlasic
WKaiser
FRoos
EDel Mastro
NAllan
ARegula qualified/resigned for one year
LCrevier

VSaarijarvi RFA

Mitchell is moved, Tinordi, Englund, Welinski, Demin not signed, Galvas not qualified

 

[Cubs2024wildcard]

Do you really think they’re rotten or is it just you being … you?

Well, Mitchell is a bag of shit I wouldn't even throw at my worst enemys front door. If I recall there were alot of people calling him a sure fire nhl'er when I was saying "lol wat" at such a prediction.

How many here were calling Allen a bust right after he was drafted? Show of hands? No?

Well I wasn't one of them. In fact, I said it was a fantastic pick and right now he's the best defenseman prospect in the Hawks organization.

And that includes korchinski. Allen's projecting to be an extremely better skating version of Seabrook. Not that Korchinski can't pass him in the future, but Allen is looking like he's one of Bowman's best picks of his last crappy drafts.

 

[EbonyRaptor]

One of the benefits of being old is the inability to contort your body enough to pat yourself on the back ... better to be humble and just look forward. Nobody on the internet cares about your glorious past anyway - so no point in being a bore.

As for my assessment of Hawks d-man prospects - I'm optimistic we have some guys who will be solid d-men over the next few years. There are 3 prospects who I feel very positive will be part of the Hawks rebuilt team - Korchinski, Kaiser and Allan. Then the next level of 3 who I think have a better than 50/50 chance to be regular NHL'ers - del Mastro, Phillips, and Vlassic. Rinzel is a wild card because I haven't seen him play. And finally Roos might have a chance too. Mitchell has not seized his opportunity, Regula is too slow and Galvas is too small. I may have missed one or two but I suppose that means they're "miss-able".

 

[Cubs2024wildcard]

The problem is calling an 18 year old kid a bust.

Prospect Info: - (D) Nolan Allan - 2021 32nd Overall

More than a bit of a reach. This’ll surely be non-controversial. 6’2”, 194 lbs. Nolan Allan at eliteprospects.com

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That thread is horrible in the assessment of an 18 year old kid who is now the best prospect in the Hawks system now that Reichel has graduated.

Give an 18 year old kid a chance to develop is all I'm saying.

 

[DisgruntledHawkFan]

The problem is calling an 18 year old kid a bust.

Prospect Info: - (D) Nolan Allan - 2021 32nd Overall

More than a bit of a reach. This’ll surely be non-controversial. 6’2”, 194 lbs. Nolan Allan at eliteprospects.com

forums.hfboards.com

That thread is horrible in the assessment of an 18 year old kid who is now the best prospect in the Hawks system now that Reichel has graduated.

Give an 18 year old kid a chance to develop is all I'm saying.

You think Allan is a better prospect than Korchinski?

 

[Cubs2024wildcard]

You think Allan is a better prospect than Korchinski?

Right now? Absolutely

Allan looks more and more like a top four borderline first pairing defenseman who will be strong in his own zone.

Korchinski looks like a power play quarterback with a lot of room to grow into a top four defenseman in the NHL.

Theyre two completely different types and I like both of them. Ones great on offense and ones great on defense. The Hawks need everything so it's more what do you value more. I'm not going to shit all over Korchinski because he might be the best defenseman taken in that draft in the long run and it's way to early to say if the kid is good or bad.

I'm saying as far as prospects go, and closer to the NHL, Allan is the better prospect.

 

[DisgruntledHawkFan]

Right now? Absolutely

Allan looks more and more like a top four borderline first pairing defenseman who will be strong in his own zone.

Korchinski looks like a power play quarterback with a lot of room to grow into a top four defenseman in the NHL.

Theyre two completely different types and I like both of them. Ones great on offense and ones great on defense. The Hawks need everything so it's more what do you value more. I'm not going to shit all over Korchinski because he might be the best defenseman taken in that draft in the long run and it's way to early to say if the kid is good or bad.

I'm saying as far as prospects go, and closer to the NHL, Allan is the better prospect.

Closer to the NHL doesn't matter. You'd take Allan over Korchinski? That's wild to me. And you won't find some hot take of me shitting on the Allan pick. I don't give opinions on guys I haven't watched much of.

 

[EbonyRaptor]

You think Allan is a better prospect than Korchinski?

I like Korchinski better because I think his ceiling is higher than Allan. I wasn't dissatisfied when Allan was selected but the so-called experts thought it was a reach so I didn't have high expectations. I didn't see him play last season but the reports were he was a solid defensive d-man and the fact he was made captain spoke to his character.

But after he was traded to Seattle and I started watching games in January - he has really grown on me. His skating isn't elite but it's good enough and the thing that really sealed the deal for me with him is his toughness and physicality. He'll hit you and won't take no duff and that will play big time in the NHL. He's got good size and has started to get more involved in the o-zone as the season has gone on.

But - if I had to choose between Korchinski and Allan - it's Korchinski big time. It'll probably take KK a year or so more to get to the NHL but he'll be a better d-man when he hits his stride.

 

[Cubs2024wildcard]

Closer to the NHL doesn't matter. You'd take Allan over Korchinski? That's wild to me. And you won't find some hot take of me shitting on the Allan pick. I don't give opinions on guys I haven't watched much of.

Of course it matters.

Who's a better prospect? Bedard or Misa?

Misa is just as generational as Bedard but Bedard right now is the better prospect why? He's going to be in the NHL faster.

(And no, I'm not comparing these two to two Hawks defenseman prospects)

Allan is the best prospect in the Hawks organization right now. If the comps are Seabrook and Theodore I'm taking Seabrook without a second thought. There isn't a substantial difference in talent between the two that clearly puts Korchinski on a different level. They're different players who do the opposite of each other extremely well and I lean more towards actual defense from a defenseman first.

Time will tell. And it will be moot if the Hawks get a top four pick this year considering there IS a substantial difference in talent between the top four and both Hawks defenseman prospects.

 

[DisgruntledHawkFan]

I like Korchinski better because I think his ceiling is higher than Allan. I wasn't dissatisfied when Allan was selected but the so-called experts thought it was a reach so I didn't have high expectations. I didn't see him play last season but the reports were he was a solid defensive d-man and the fact he was made captain spoke to his character.

But after he was traded to Seattle and I started watching games in January - he has really grown on me. His skating isn't elite but it's good enough and the thing that really sealed the deal for me with him is his toughness and physicality. He'll hit you and won't take no duff and that will play big time in the NHL. He's got good size and has started to get more involved in the o-zone as the season has gone on.

But - if I had to choose between Korchinski and Allan - it's Korchinski big time. It'll probably take KK a year or so more to get to the NHL but he'll be a better d-man when he hits his stride.

I've caught some Thunderbird games because they've got so many Hawk prospects. I like Allan. Korchinski is on a different tier. Just my opinion.

 

[DisgruntledHawkFan]

Of course it matters.

Who's a better prospect? Bedard or Misa?

Misa is just as generational as Bedard but Bedard right now is the better prospect why? He's going to be in the NHL faster.

(And no, I'm not comparing these two to two Hawks defenseman prospects)

Allan is the best prospect in the Hawks organization right now. If the comps are Seabrook and Theodore I'm taking Seabrook without a second thought. There isn't a substantial difference in talent between the two that clearly puts Korchinski on a different level. They're different players who do the opposite of each other extremely well and I lean more towards actual defense from a defenseman first.

Time will tell. And it will be moot if the Hawks get a top four pick this year considering there IS a substantial difference in talent between the top four and both Hawks defenseman prospects.

Bedard has the track record and he's not 16. It's a nonsense argument.

 

[CallMeShaft]

Allan is not in my top 5 for Hawks prospects, let alone 1st after Reichel.

What a joke of an opinion.

 

[Cubs2024wildcard]

Bedard has the track record and he's not 16. It's a nonsense argument.

Misa doesn't? LOL

Exceptional status

First pick in the OHL draft

Already bigger then Bedard and has just as good at shot as Bedard at 16.

Where are you getting your information from?

 

[DisgruntledHawkFan]

Misa doesn't? LOL

Exceptional status

First pick in the OHL draft

Already bigger then Bedard and has just as good at shot as Bedard at 16.

Where are you getting your information from?

Being really good at 16 is impressive. What Bedard is doing is something else entirely.

 

[Cubs2024wildcard]

Allan is not in my top 5 for Hawks prospects, let alone 1st after Reichel.

What a joke of an opinion.

Just wondering how many games this year have you seen Allan play.

 

[clydesdale line]

Allan wishes he had offensive potential like Seabrook.

 

[Cubs2024wildcard]

Being really good at 16 is impressive. What Bedard is doing is something else entirely.

No it's not.

Both are doing amazing things against kids. The same pundits who were calling Bedard generational at 16 are the same pundits calling Misa generational now.

Where are you getting your information from? You didn't answer that one.

 

[CallMeShaft]

Just wondering how many games this year have you seen Allan play.

I watched most of Canada's WJC and he sure as hell didn't impress as much as Korchinski or EDM did.

 

[Cubs2024wildcard]

Allan wishes he had offensive potential like Seabrook.

I'm sure Seabrook wished he had the offensive potential of Ray Bourque.

Just sayin

If Allan's half as good as Seabrook it's a home run pick.

 

[DisgruntledHawkFan]

Allan is not in my top 5 for Hawks prospects, let alone 1st after Reichel.

What a joke of an opinion.

I've been throwing coal in the Reichel engine for a minute. I evaluate guys I've seen.

 

[Cubs2024wildcard]

I watched most of Canada's WJC and he sure as hell didn't impress as much as Korchinski or EDM did.

Ah. So you haven't really watched him.

Gotcha