What wrong with "Mitch'in" Marner?

[Petrus]

Another Marner media classic.

First they put shambles in his brain, then Marner knew without a doubt that his team was great despite zero results, and now they are gods.

He needs to go. True leaders don’t think themselves as “god”. Terrible comment. He is so out of touch with reality.

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

He needs to go. True leaders don’t think themselves as “god”. Terrible comment. He is so out of touch with reality.

Maybe he's dyslexic and he meant everyone thinks the club are dogs?

 

[I Hate Blake Coleman]

Toronto fosters a culture of complacency and a loser mindset. It's the same in Calgary. The results only need to be satisfactory or good enough for ownership.

 

[Tuggy]

Just when I thought Marner couldn't be anymore unlikable, he opens his mouth today...

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

He's scored 1 extra goal during his Leafs tenure. Yes, in less games.

In FAR less games. 26/82 is much, much better than 16/82.

But considering the fact Marner is a playmaker and Tavares is a goal scorer, that's not exactly a great gap in goal scoring since that's literally the only thing he's better than Marner in.

26 per 82 isn't great but it's respectable. It's also a modest drop from the 34/82 that he's averaged in the regular season with TO. And Tavares is older and has slowed down after his injury. Marner's in the prime of his career and is putting up 16 per 82? That's not near good enough.

Also, yes he scored that one OT goal for them to win the series, but that's like saying someone like Chris Kunitz was more valuable to the Penguins' 2017 run than Crosby because Kunitz scored the OT winner in Game 7 versus Ottawa to get them to the finals.

One goal doesn't negate multiple games of being trash.

Hey, I'm not going to defend Tavares other than to say that he was never the same after that injury. Clearly he's part of the problem and I'd never say otherwise. He drops from 78/82 points to 52/82 and that's not good. Should've stayed in New York.

But Marner's in his prime. He's as good as he'll ever be.

Here are his metrics coming into the playoffs updated to include this year:

Game 1: 4G 5A in 9 games
Game 2: 4G 7A in 9 games
Game 3: 0G 9A in 9 games
Game 4: 1G 9A in 8 games
Game 5: 0G 5A in 8 games
Game 6: 1G 1A in 7 games
Game 7: 0G 2A in 5 games

That is just so bad.

 

[EpochLink]

Marner's ego is truly out of this world, this god complex is not for him.

Guy thinks he's Kawhi Leonard, Joe Carter. Those two won Toronto teams the chip, Marner hasn't come close to being up there. He realizes that underachieving in the playoffs for the Leafs, who haven't won since 67 or even gone to the conference finals since 2002 is bad.

 

[JimmyApples]

I haven’t heard excuses in the past. I’ve heard him get ripped several times.

This year he played well when healthy and even managed a big play when not healthy. He played well when he could. That’s why people aren’t going after him this year.

People are going after Marner because he sucked. Again.

He played well with 1 goal in 3 games?

And “managed a big play” = got an assist? Christ, he’s waking up on July 1st with a $16M signing bonus deposited into his account. He has the highest AAV in the league. And he’s being praised and patted on the back for having an assist in a Game 7 when he’s still goal-less and win-less in them?

My expectation for the highest paid player and so-called generational goal scorer is to actually win a Game 7. Team sport, sure. He’s the highest paid player and a massive underachiever in them, so he deserves tons of blame.

If the only defense for Matthews is “well, he’s not as bad as the other $11M forwards!” you’ve already lost

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

He played well with 1 goal in 3 games?

Yeah. He won game two by himself. He had a key play in limited minutes in game 7. Given the circumestances, his series wasn't bad.

I think I noticed Marner half a dozen times in the series and he played all seven games.

Moreover, Marner was 1st unit PP and first unit PK. Both were a disaster.

And “managed a big play” = got an assist? Christ, he’s waking up on July 1st with a $16M signing bonus deposited into his account. He has the highest AAV in the league. And he’s being praised and patted on the back for having an assist in a Game 7 when he’s still goal-less and win-less in them?

Praised? Insofar as it was a clutch play in a game 7, yeah. He didn't play much but at least he managed that.

My expectation for the highest paid player and so-called generational goal scorer is to actually win a Game 7. Team sport, sure. He’s the highest paid player and a massive underachiever in them, so he deserves tons of blame.

If the only defense for Matthews is “well, he’s not as bad as the other $11M forwards!” you’ve already lost

And if he were healthy then sure. But he wasn't. And he still managed to win a game for his team before going down. You are pot stirring here.

As for Marner... that's a different story.

 

[Fatass]

Is the problem with Marner that he feels the need to express he’s and adult?

 

[John Mandalorian]

Was on capfriendly today. 85% of the trades on trade machine were involving the Leafs.

 

[DueDiligence]

He comes across as an entitled 14 year old.

 

[dirtydanglez]

Was on capfriendly today. 85% of the trades on trade machine were involving the Leafs.

the team to watch this summer. we're going to be hearing a lot about toronto all summer

 

[TimeZone]

I really don't understand why Marner gets all of the criticism and not Matthews, Nylander, and Tavares as well.

They have *all* disappointed. One of them is clearly being set out as the scapegoat though.

It helps that Nylander scored as many goals in game 5, 6 than Mitch Marner has over his last 24 playoff games.

Marner is brutal, year after year he comes in with the same weaknesses as well.

He's an embarrassment

 

[JimmyApples]

Yeah. He won game two by himself. He had a key play in limited minutes in game 7. Given the circumestances, his series wasn't bad.

I think I noticed Marner half a dozen times in the series and he played all seven games.

Moreover, Marner was 1st unit PP and first unit PK. Both were a disaster.

Praised? Insofar as it was a clutch play in a game 7, yeah. He didn't play much but at least he managed that.

And if he were healthy then sure. But he wasn't. And he still managed to win a game for his team before going down. You are pot stirring here.

As for Marner... that's a different story.

Again, you mentioned Marner three times in that reply. We know Matthews was better than Snitch, but that’s not saying much.

It’s also the playoffs. Everyone is playing injured. Bergeron played through a punctured lung, separated shoulder, and cracked rib.

Even Game 2, he played well, but didn’t take over in the way McDavid, MacKinnon, Draisaitl, Crosby, etc. have. His first point was hitting a post and Ullmark losing track of the puck and Domi whacking in a rebound. His second was a secondary assist on the PP that was going to be intercepted, but got deflected. His goal was nice, great timing, but if this is the legendary game he’ll be remembered for… yikes.

It’s hard to be impressed with the performance. Nothing he did was extraordinary. He had a good Game 2. He played through an injury and got an assist. The other two games he played he was unnoticeable. But I guess he played better than two other underachievers on his team, so there’s that?

 

[John Mandalorian]

It helps that Nylander scored as many goals in game 5, 6 than Mitch Marner has over his last 24 playoff games.

Marner is brutal, year after year he comes in with the same weaknesses as well.

He's an embarrassment

He should be easy to trade.

 

[SImpelton]

He should be easy to trade.

you think people are gonna line up to take on that contract for this guy? If you do get rid of him Toronto will be eating some money, no doubt about it.

 

[John Mandalorian]

you think people are gonna line up to take on that contract for this guy? If you do get rid of him Toronto will be eating some money, no doubt about it.

Was being facetious.

 

[thaman8765678]

I really don't understand why Marner gets all of the criticism and not Matthews, Nylander, and Tavares as well.

They have *all* disappointed. One of them is clearly being set out as the scapegoat though.

You are correct. I would actually put Matthews at the top of the criticism. His production drops off the most and he actively hurts the team while in the lineup.

The entire team played their best 2 games without Matthews....

I honestly feel like people just hate him because of his off ice interviews. But he's definitely been less bad than Matthews, the bar being really low.

 

[John Mandalorian]

Is it possible he’s seen Ghostbusters too many times?

 

[Bozo Nicholson]

One does not simply trade a god.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Again, you mentioned Marner three times in that reply.

It’s the MARNER THREAD!

We know Matthews was better than Snitch, but that’s not saying much.

We do? Okay, glad to hear you finally acknowledge it.

It’s also the playoffs. Everyone is playing injured. Bergeron played through a punctured lung, separated shoulder, and cracked rib.

Sure. I’d never say otherwise or use it as an excuse for the Leafs.

But if you’re evaluating an individual player who only played half the series? Totally different story.

Even Game 2, he played well, but didn’t take over in the way McDavid, MacKinnon, Draisaitl, Crosby, etc. have. His first point was hitting a post and Ullmark losing track of the puck and Domi whacking in a rebound. His second was a secondary assist on the PP that was going to be intercepted, but got deflected. His goal was nice, great timing, but if this is the legendary game he’ll be remembered for… yikes.

He played a great game and won it for his team. Not as good as McDavid? Hell, Crosby and Ovechkin aren’t as good as he is in the playoffs so why bring him up? Why not just say he wasn’t as good as Mario Lemieux while you’re at it.

Three points. Played a great game. Won it for his team. End of story.

It’s hard to be impressed with the performance. Nothing he did was extraordinary. He had a good Game 2. He played through an injury and got an assist. The other two games he played he was unnoticeable. But I guess he played better than two other underachievers on his team, so there’s that?

Impressed? It’s impossible to say because he wasn’t healthy. That’s why I gave him a pass. He played well when healthy and made a key play in game 7 even when he wasn’t. He certainly wasn’t bad.

Stop trying to say he was.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

One does not simply trade a god.

Post of the year.

 

[LV426]

Marner showing up at team practice next season.

 

[waitin425]

Marner thinks of himself and his teammates as God's in Toronto. Embarrassing.

 

[John Mandalorian]

Marner thinks of himself and his teammates as God's in Toronto. Officially the most gigantic piece of shit in the NHL. Prima donna, self righteous, piece of shit. Man if there was ever a human being who need to be knocked down a peg or two, this is him.

GOD? GTFO you scum.

Yeah. But content is important and that’s kind of what makes it so cringeworthy. He was explaining why he likes playing in Toronto when he said that. Sometimes it sounds worse than it was. Not in this case.